Higham/Brown - Wigan

[seasider]

I am looking for either a marriage or Mother and Father to some Brown children. They are on the 1851 census and appear as Grandchildren to Robert Higham and wife Martha. It seems to me that one of Robert and Martha's children married a Brown but I can't find anything. Unfortunately I don't have the children of Robert Higham and Martha[ Motler], who were married in Wigan in 1803, this makes it harder.
In 1841 there are three more Browns another Robert age 20 which I wonder could be Martha's possibly from a first marriage and these Browns are not Robert Highams line.
Thanks

[jennifer c]

The Robert Brown aged 4 is Gt grandson. There is a Robert Brown on GRO index for Wigan 1847 MMN Rodgers?

Jennifer

[suzard]

The Robert Brown aged 4 is Gt grandson. There is a Robert Brown on GRO index for Wigan 1847 MMN Rodgers?

Jennifer

Possibly the Robert Brown b.Wigan 1847 is this Robert
Parish records
Page 327 entry 2613
All Saints Wigan Lancs
Robert Brown
b 27 Jun 1847
baptised 23 Aug 1847
parents John & Mary
address Millgate Father's occ Collier

he appears on 1851 census head of House is his grandmother Ann (widow) and there are her unmarried children and her married son John and his wife Mary and James Brown age 5 (who is also Grandson of Ann

HO107 2199 84 44

Suz

[suzard]

In 1841 there are three more Browns another Robert age 20 which I wonder could be Martha's possibly from a first marriage and these Browns are not Robert Highams line.
Thanks

Martha was a spinster when she married  Robert Higham

Marriage Wigan 6 Mar 1803
Robert Higham of the Town and Parish of Wigan Bachelor married after Banns to
Martha Motter? of the same place Spinster
witnesses John Featherbarrow and William Chisnall (William witnessed lots of the marriages)

Also it seems Robert Brown age 4 Gt Grandson to Robert and Martha in 1851 was the son of their unmarried daughter Ann (age 24 in 1851 and living with her grandparents and some siblings and her son Robert

This looks like Ann and Robert in 1861
Wigan
William Leyland Head M 29 Coal Miner
Ann Leyland wife M 34
Robert Brown son 14 Coal Miner
Elizabeth Leyland daughter 6 scholar
all b Wigan
RG9 2771 60 27

Suz

[seasider]

Thanks for your help. Highams my line and I didn't know Robert and Martha had children. It was a bit confusing with them being great grandchildren in 1851. I notice that they are on the 1841 too. I am now interested in what happened to young Robert born 1847.

[suzard]

Thanks for your help. Highams my line and I didn't know Robert and Martha had children. It was a bit confusing with them being great grandchildren in 1851. I notice that they are on the 1841 too. I am now interested in what happened to young Robert born 1847.

Only young Robert Brown  is a Great Grandson -he is the(illegitimate) son of Ann Brown (who later married William Leyland ) and Ann Brown and the other s on 1851 census (and on 1841) are Grandchildren of Robert and Martha Higham

I will try to find young Robert brown later - and will try to find children of Robert and Martha Higham- one daughter must have  married a Mr brown???

Suz

[suzard]

a little breakthrough

details of Ann Brown (granddaughter of Robert and Martha Higham )'s marriage

Page 194 All Saints Wigan
23 may 1852
William Leyland 21 Bachelor Collier Scholes father Richard Leyland
ANN BROWN 24 Spinster Scholes father JAMES BROWN deceased
witnesses Richard Brown (possibly Ann's brother?) and Esther Ramsdale

so it seems James Brown possibly married a Higham

Suz

[seasider]

Excellent, thank you. You have confirm a couple of things that I was thinking. I wonder if Martha and Robert had many children. The 1841 census mentioned Michael?

[seasider]

I did see a Robert Brown who married Elizabeth Gregory, I'm sure he's the one, it all adds up with the later census.