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Offline Nick B

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Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« on: Monday 03 December 18 15:29 GMT (UK) »
I have a record of a Roman Catholic baptism from 1806, written in Latin that states 'Suppletoe ceremonie'. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean?

From records of Our Blessed Lady & St Alphonsus, Blackmore Park, Worcester
August 1806 births & baptism
Benjaminus filius N (?) Lane & Teresa Gallet
Suppletoe ceremonie
patrini Joan. Gallet, Maria Harris

From this, it's likely that Benjamin was illegitimate. The mother's family were Roman Catholic, and it's likely that the patrini (sponsors) were the mother's brother and married sister.

I'm actually trying to find some evidence of Teresa Gallet's parents, and of the mysterious Mr Lane - I have details of Benjamin's marriage and family.

Thanks,

Nick
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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #1 on: Monday 03 December 18 15:44 GMT (UK) »
Can you post a snippet so we can look at Mr Lane's initial - with a few surrounding records to get a feel for the writing?

I can see no Gallets in 1841 in Worcestershire but by 1851 there are quite a few in Hanley Castle nearby.

But there is this baptism which is probably not Catholic
First name   James
Last name   Gallat
Baptism date   18 Oct 1772
Hanley Castle, Worcestershire
Country   England
Father's name   James Gallat
Mother's name   Constance


ADDED:
ALso found this marriage
Marriages Jun 1844 
BENNETT    Jane        Upton on Sevn    18   633    
Church    Sarah        Upton on Severn    18   633   
Cull    George        Upton on Severn    18   633    
Gallett    Teresa        Upton on Sev    18   633   
Gallett    Theresa        Upton on Sev    18   633   

HUNT    George        Upton on Severn    18   633    
LIPPYATT    James        Upton on Severn    18   633   
But no idea if Upton is near Hanley Castle. ???
An added note on the ancestry entry states that she married James Lippyatt/Lippett & this woman is 29  in the 1851 census, so born ca 1821 & not Benjamin's mother. In 1861 she is 37 born Hanley Castle. Another record shows her father to be George.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 December 18 15:47 GMT (UK) »
Supplementary Ceremony?
When the supplementary ceremonies are to be performed in the case of a child which has already been baptized, http://anglicanhistory.org/liturgy/old_catholic_ritual/baptism.html

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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 December 18 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Many Catholic Baptisms show mother with her maiden name as you have written it.
Benjamin would therefore be Benjamin Lane. Is that who you are looking for?
Do you have him as Benjamin Gallet?
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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 December 18 16:27 GMT (UK) »
Can you post a snippet so we can look at Mr Lane's initial - with a few surrounding records to get a feel for the writing?

I can see no Gallets in 1841 in Worcestershire but by 1851 there are quite a few in Hanley Castle nearby.

But there is this baptism which is probably not Catholic
First name   James
Last name   Gallat
Baptism date   18 Oct 1772
Hanley Castle, Worcestershire
Country   England
Father's name   James Gallat
Mother's name   Constance


ADDED:
ALso found this marriage
Marriages Jun 1844 
BENNETT    Jane        Upton on Sevn    18   633    
Church    Sarah        Upton on Severn    18   633   
Cull    George        Upton on Severn    18   633    
Gallett    Teresa        Upton on Sev    18   633   
Gallett    Theresa        Upton on Sev    18   633   

HUNT    George        Upton on Severn    18   633    
LIPPYATT    James        Upton on Severn    18   633   
But no idea if Upton is near Hanley Castle. ???
An added note on the ancestry entry states that she married James Lippyatt/Lippett & this woman is 29  in the 1851 census, so born ca 1821 & not Benjamin's mother. In 1861 she is 37 born Hanley Castle. Another record shows her father to be George.

Hanley castle is in Upton on Severn registration district

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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #5 on: Monday 03 December 18 16:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi Josey

James & Constance were RC and may have been Teresa's parents; James b. abt. 1772 was their son. Teresa/Theresa who married James Lyppatt/Lippet in 1844 was, as you say, much younger.

The Index To Death Duty Registers has a death for a Theresa Gallet in 1821,
county: Worcestershire, and she may not have married.

Hanley Castle is in Upton on Severn, Worcestershire.

Stan: this is helpful and may be the answer, especially as the register gives the month but not the day, whereas all or almost other entries give date of both birth and baptism.

Nick
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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #6 on: Monday 03 December 18 16:32 GMT (UK) »
Many Catholic Baptisms show mother with her maiden name as you have written it.
Good point, perhaps OP can look through same record set for a marriage?

Hanley castle is in Upton on Severn registration district
Doh, I should have looked that up  :-[. There obviously were Gallet[t]/Gallatt families around there at the beginning of 19th century.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #7 on: Monday 03 December 18 16:47 GMT (UK) »
I have a record of a Roman Catholic baptism from 1806, written in Latin that states 'Suppletoe ceremonie'. Does anyone have an idea what this might mean?

From records of Our Blessed Lady & St Alphonsus, Blackmore Park, Worcester
August 1806 births & baptism
Benjaminus filius N (?) Lane & Teresa Gallet
Suppletoe ceremonie
patrini Joan. Gallet, Maria Harris

The key words are suppletae ceremoniae, meaning Ďthe rites (were) completedí. Is the first part of the baptism ceremony written at the very top of the extract as posted? The godparents seem to be the same.

I suspect itís not N. Lane at all, but a blank space left before Lane, for a forename that wasnít available at the time.

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Re: Roman Catholic/Latin baptism query
« Reply #8 on: Monday 03 December 18 16:49 GMT (UK) »
I was just going to ask about the part which is cut off at the top.
Are the details the same or is it just the motherís name?
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