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Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« on: Wednesday 05 December 18 05:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone, it's been quite a while since I've made a post on rootschat, but lately I've been pulled back into my genealogy research and I remember what a great resource and how friendly everyone here is, so I have come back to ask for assistance.

I'm trying to find out more about Mary Clarke, aunt of Thomas Timlin. I haven't been able to get anywhere. She appears in the 1910 US Census in Philadelphia living with her nephew Thomas, his wife Mary, and their 9 children. Being an aunt, she has to be a sibling of either Thomas' mother or father - Bernard/Bryan Tim(b)lin or Selina/Cecelia Filbin. I'm curious to uncover the mystery of which.

Mary, according to the 1910 Census Mary Clarke was 65 years old, born approximately 1845 in Ireland. She is widowed and immigrated to the US in 1870. Bernard/Bryan and Selina/Cecelia lived in Leeds, England before immigrating to America and living in Philadelphia. According to the marriage records Bernard's father was William Timblin, a farmer. Selina's father was Patrick Filbin a laborer.

I'm hoping that finding some information about Mary could help lead me towards the early records and information regarding the families of Bernard and Selina before they were ever married. I'm going to take a guess that Mary is related to the Tim(b)lin family, and that she likely didn't have any children but I could be wrong. If anyone has access to any records or can point me in the right direction I appreciate the help.

I've been thinking about researching naturalization records for members in the Timlin family, does anyone know how I would go about the process of researching naturalization records of Philadelphia residents in the late 1800's?

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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 08:06 GMT (UK) »
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Being an aunt, she has to be a sibling of either Thomas' mother or father
She could be an aunt of Thomas' wife Mary.
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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 11:14 GMT (UK) »
There are links for Pennsylvania naturalization records here - https://www.germanroots.com/naturalization.html and https://www.germanroots.com/pennsylvania.html

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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 11:15 GMT (UK) »
Thomas could have been naturalized on his father's naturalization, I think, but I'm not positive.
Mary Clarke may never have been naturalized, and if so, probably as a result of her husband becoming naturalized.

Is Mary either of these in 1900:

widowed w/ 2 children, unknown if naturalized
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3WP-WPT

servant, naturalization column is blank
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M37D-R45


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and for reference for others:
Thomas and family in 1900
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3WP-T46

Thomas, family and Mary Clarke in 1910:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MG3B-WK8



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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 11:19 GMT (UK) »
Thomas could have been naturalized on his father's naturalization, I think, but I'm not positive.


modified to add: There were other conditions I think. If Thomas was still in his father's household and young enough (< 21?).

Basically - Look for his father's naturalization, esp. if you don't find one for Thomas himself.
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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 11:31 GMT (UK) »
It sounds like Thomas' parents married in England, correct? Is so, that eliminates looking for the marriage in the Irish parish records.

Is there any evidence that they knew each other in Ireland or that their families were from the same general location? If so, Timlin and Filbin only occur together in Mayo, according to https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=filbin&surname=timlin.

If no evidence to that effect, then no help there.

Are there any siblings for Bernard Timlin or Selina Filbin in Leeds? If so, what do you know about them? Did any of them emigrate to the US, or did their children, etc.?

If you get a few siblings you might take a chance on looking in the Irish parish baptism records for all the names in one place with the same parents. But that isn't really a definite way to find them. Much better to find a location on a non-Irish record before playing hide and seek in the baptism records.




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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Timlin and Filbin only occur together in Mayo, according to https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=filbin&surname=timlin.


 ... at the time of Griffith's valuation, which was done in Mayo in 1856-7.
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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 23:01 GMT (UK) »
It sounds like Thomas' parents married in England, correct? Is so, that eliminates looking for the marriage in the Irish parish records.

Is there any evidence that they knew each other in Ireland or that their families were from the same general location? If so, Timlin and Filbin only occur together in Mayo, according to https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=filbin&surname=timlin.

If no evidence to that effect, then no help there.

Are there any siblings for Bernard Timlin or Selina Filbin in Leeds? If so, what do you know about them? Did any of them emigrate to the US, or did their children, etc.?

If you get a few siblings you might take a chance on looking in the Irish parish baptism records for all the names in one place with the same parents. But that isn't really a definite way to find them. Much better to find a location on a non-Irish record before playing hide and seek in the baptism records.

Thank you everyone for your help and assistance!

I actually have Bernard and Selina's marriage record from Leeds in 1854. That is how I know the names of Bernard and Selina's fathers. Basically at this point the marriage record in Leeds between the two of them is the farthest back that I am able to go in the Timlin/Filbin family. I do have the 1861 England and Wales Census of the family they are still living in Leeds, but that is why I thought that US naturalization records would be a good place to go, because the 1900 US Census in Philadelphia says that "Bryand" was a naturalized citizen. I'm not exactly sure what information a naturalization document would provide, but I'm sure it would give me more specific information about Bernard Timblin including possibly the town of his birth and more information about his parents. Although I'm doing a little reading online and I'm not sure what type of genealogy relevant information I'll be able to find, but it's worth a shot.

aghadowey is right, the census documents aren't precise enough to distinguish whether it's the biological aunt of the head of household. It could technically be an aunt in-law, the sister of either Mary's father or mother.

Thanks again to everyone for the help.