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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 23:14 GMT (UK) »
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Is there any evidence that they knew each other in Ireland or that their families were from the same general location? If so, Timlin and Filbin only occur together in Mayo, according to https://www.johngrenham.com/surnamescode/twosurnames.php?surname2=filbin&surname=timlin.
Perhaps doesn't take into account of spelling variations (Philbin, etc.)?

Any of the U.S. naturalization records I've seen for that period just list country of birth- Ireland, Germany, etc.- so that might not be much use.

Wonder if 'aunt' died in Phildelphia did her death registration list any parents?
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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 23:18 GMT (UK) »
Right, I didn't try variations, and a lot happened between 1845 and 1855 to move people around, so Grenham's site is more useful for later people.

In general a person's Petition for naturalization has more information than a Declaration of Intention, and the farther back you go the less specific the location and the less information being required. But I have seen a mid-1800's naturalization record that mentioned the county. I don't remember if it was the man's petition or declaration.
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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 23:33 GMT (UK) »
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Wonder if 'aunt' died in Phildelphia did her death registration list any parents?

Exactly, Mary only seems to appear in this 1910 census.  A death record would likely unravel that information about parents as you suggest, maybe even city directories. And yes, all the spelling variations are an extra twist, I believe that my ancestors name was Bernard, but since it's such a unique name the records call him Bryan and Bryand in an effort to simplify.

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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 05 December 18 23:37 GMT (UK) »
Bryan and Bernard are used interchangeably in Ireland.

Another idea- do you know where your family were buried? if so. check to see if any Mary Ann Clark the same age also buried there (people in Philadelphia often use the same cemetery as their relatives).
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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 06 December 18 14:53 GMT (UK) »
These were where Bryan, Cecilia and Thonas were buried if you wish to contact those cemeteries.  ???


FIND A GRAVE

Bryan Timblin 1830 - 1902

Old Cathedral Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/178147690

Cecilia Philbin Timblin - 30 April 1887

   
Holy Cross Cemetery Yeadon, Delaware County, Pennsylvania

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/178147770/cecilia-timblin

Thomas Francis Timlin - 11 December 1860 - 19 July 1945

Holy Cross Cemetery Yeadon, Delaware County, Pennsylvania

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/178147921/thomas-francis-timlin

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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #14 on: Friday 07 December 18 07:27 GMT (UK) »
Great ideas, thank you everyone for the leads.

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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #15 on: Friday 07 December 18 08:43 GMT (UK) »
You may already have noticed these census entries
Your family in

1861 3373/45/14
Bryan and Cicely with children plus two Conway visitors
John Conway 18 yrs and Honora Conway 16 yrs

Then there is
1851 2320/480/3
Leeds
Michael Timlin 30 yrs
John Timlin 25 yrs
William Timlin 80 yrs
Sarah Timlin 63 yrs
Timothy Conway 36 yrs
Margaret Conway 28 yrs
John Conway 8 yrs
Michael Conway   7 yrs
Honor Conway 5 yrs
James Conway 1 yr

The Conway children have mmn Timlin (variation if spellings) and the Conway/Temlin marriage was 1842

Unfortunately, I canít see Bernard/Bryan in 1851
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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #16 on: Friday 07 December 18 10:25 GMT (UK) »

You might have this from a few years back but just in case..............

Thomas F Timblin Rites........Philadelphia Inquirer 21 July 1945

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/26028153/thomas_f_timblin_rites/

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Re: Aunt Mary Clarke of Timlin Family in Philadelphia
« Reply #17 on: Monday 10 December 18 03:31 GMT (UK) »
You may already have noticed these census entries
Your family in

1861 3373/45/14
Bryan and Cicely with children plus two Conway visitors
John Conway 18 yrs and Honora Conway 16 yrs

Then there is
1851 2320/480/3
Leeds
Michael Timlin 30 yrs
John Timlin 25 yrs
William Timlin 80 yrs
Sarah Timlin 63 yrs
Timothy Conway 36 yrs
Margaret Conway 28 yrs
John Conway 8 yrs
Michael Conway   7 yrs
Honor Conway 5 yrs
James Conway 1 yr

The Conway children have mmn Timlin (variation if spellings) and the Conway/Temlin marriage was 1842

Unfortunately, I canít see Bernard/Bryan in 1851

This is really amazing heywood. Thank you for finding this and posting it here. This helps expand the Timlin family further in Europe for me. I'm happy to find that my Timlin family appears to be in Leeds at the time of the Irish famine, having left Ireland early I suppose.

I had actually never discovered that 1851 Leeds Census. It's a lot to think about and particularly interesting as you point out because the records have Margaret Timlen and John Conway marrying in 1842 in Leeds. I'll likely order that marriage record as I did Benrard/Bryan and Selina's. I'll have to see if Margaret's father is also listed as William Timlin on her marriage record too. I am certainly beginning to believe that John & Honor(a) Conway have more than a visitor relationship to Bryan/Bernard, because by comparing 1851 and 1861 census I would imagine that Bryan/Bernard is an uncle of John & Honor(a) Conway or some other type of relative.

William Timlin is listed as 80 years old in the 1851 census. If William is the father of Bernard/Bryan cited in his marriage certificate and possibly of Margaret. If so that means that William had them quite late in life, in his late fifties. I'm not ruling out the possibility, but maybe he is another patriarch of the family. This Timlin family seems big, but their living in Leeds gives me a better chance at finding out more information about them.

Thank you all again for everything and all of the information you've provided me. I appreciate the miracles that happen on rootschat.