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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 08 December 18 11:11 GMT (UK) »
I would presume James Butler McTernan may well have been the son of another man (possibly Mr Butler), and kept the McTernan name as he wasn't actually the son of James Barr. If she was working in domestic service, she was likely dismissed when she had the child and returned home, meeting James Barr later.

When/where did James Barr die? I wonder if that's the source for him being born Ireland?
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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 08 December 18 11:23 GMT (UK) »
I would presume James Butler McTernan may well have been the son of another man (possibly Mr Butler), and kept the McTernan name as he wasn't actually the son of James Barr. If she was working in domestic service, she was likely dismissed when she had the child and returned home, meeting James Barr later.

When/where did James Barr die? I wonder if that's the source for him being born Ireland?

Hi Jorose,
I was thinking the same! After looking at similar name changes on records, lots of Mothers kept their own surname going as a middle name for their child. I was also wondering if it was the Butler who was the Dad!! You never know...

They married outside Edinburgh, possibly in James Barr's Parish. I'm intrigued that Margaret could marry in a Catholic Church having had a child out of Wedlock, but that also might explain the distance from her stated home at Oak Villa in Edinburgh. My twin sister happens to live in Edinburgh, so is going to drive out to see the address and find St Margarets R.C. Church. I've also asked her to find the Parish Records, as I think they are more detailed-or they were when I got married! Of course they then had to do a Civil Registration, which is the document I have now.

I don't have a death certificate for James Barr, but my Dad's sister recently told me her Grandad was a red-headed Irishman who died young. Since I'm not sure how old he was when he married, I'm going to work backwards from her age to a date when she was 10 or under, as both her and my Dad cant remember him. Do you have any other tips for finding him?
Thanks!

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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 08 December 18 13:11 GMT (UK) »
I see JJ gave the marriage info. for James B.

What is the age & occ. of James Barr on his marriage & who were the witnesses?

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 08 December 18 13:22 GMT (UK) »
Death for Margaret McTeirnan or Barr (SP)

BARR MARGARET 69
1966
685/4 10 St Giles

The death will state whether she was a widow or married which will give you a window for James' death.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"


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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 08 December 18 13:32 GMT (UK) »
Death for Margaret McTeirnan or Barr (SP)

BARR MARGARET 69
1966
685/4 10 St Giles

The death will state whether she was a widow or married which will give you a window for James' death.

Annie

Thanks Annie,
Where is that record located?

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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 08 December 18 13:35 GMT (UK) »
I see JJ gave the marriage info. for James B.

What is the age & occ. of James Barr on his marriage & who were the witnesses?

Annie

Annie,

I tried to attach the certificate PDF I have, but didn't work! Maybe the file is too big. There is no age for either of them. Margaret has her Mother and Step-Father as Witnesses, but James has only one name and it looks like it could potentially be a Clerk or the Priest who conducted their Wedding.

If I can figure out how to make the PDF file smaller, I'll post it later.

Thanks!

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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 08 December 18 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Death for Margaret McTeirnan or Barr (SP)

BARR MARGARET 69
1966
685/4 10 St Giles

Where is that record located?

Sorry (SP) www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

When I download certs. from SP, I always use jpeg as I find pdf hard to work with for all sorts of reasons such as cropping etc.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 08 December 18 14:42 GMT (UK) »
Helping out with the image attachment.

Below is a clip from James Barr's RC marriage to Margaret on 31 Dec 1918. Witnesses a Robert and Mary Hughes.


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Re: James Barr and Margaret McTernan Marriage
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 08 December 18 14:49 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Monica  :D

So aged 26 b c 1892 & from the info. earlier of him dying young this may be him?

(SP Index)

BARR JAMES 29
1922
685/5 355 George Square (Edinburgh)

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"