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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 09 December 18 14:05 GMT (UK) »
See reply #15.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 09 December 18 14:07 GMT (UK) »
There was a Harriet Murray born 27 January 1869, father Robt, admitted to Mantua Street School on 19 February 1877. Address 118 Lavender Road; previously at "Plough Lane private".
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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 09 December 18 14:13 GMT (UK) »
A possible death: Harriet Murray aged 33, Jun qtr 1902 St Marylebone 1a 338.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 09 December 18 15:19 GMT (UK) »
Possible neighbourly clue in the 1871 census (Knox Rd, Battersea) ref RG10/702/129/43.

13 Knox Rd: the Rowlands, with Mary Ann’s daughter Augusta Hyde

15 Knox Rd: Robert & Harriet Murray plus William 4 b Brompton and Harriet 2 b Battersea**.

**Harriet Emily Murray, mmn Hyde, birth reg Mar qtr 1869 Wandsworth.

I suggest Robert’s wife Harriet is Mary Ann Rowland’s daughter, and her daughter Harriet Murray may be the mother of the 1890s illegitimate children (citing her own mother’s maiden name Hyde, other than on Augusta Gertrude’s birth registration where no mmn is given).

I rather think Robert or Henry being a middle name


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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 09 December 18 15:24 GMT (UK) »
I think AVM228 may have cracked this one. So "Henry Murrey" is probably an invented name.

Sorry , I made a mistake , too quick.
I rather think Robert or Henry being a middlename , or a mistake in
census or is it possible that a registrar made a mistake in 1936 ( year of the editing of the birth certificate ).

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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 09 December 18 15:44 GMT (UK) »
I don’t follow what you are saying about middle names, sorry.

Robert Murray, who married Mary Ann Rowland’s daughter Harriet Hyde*, was the father of Harriet b 1869, so (one hopes) not also the father of her children!

*(Robert and Harriet snr may not in fact have been lawfully married - not found a marriage for them).

My suggestion is that Harriet Murray b 1869 may have been the unwed mother of possibly four children (Augusta Gertrude 1890, Eva 1891, Sidney 1895 and Herbert 1898) and for the latter three registrations she invented a husband (“Henry” on Sidney’s registration) and a maiden name (“Hyde”, which was in fact her mother’s maiden name) for the sake of respectability.  She may have died unmarried in 1902.  The children seem to have been dispersed early on.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 09 December 18 16:11 GMT (UK) »
Yes , you are right , I mixed up Robert and Henry .

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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 09 December 18 16:17 GMT (UK) »
There's also Herbert Murray mmn Hyde birth registered in Marylebone in 3Q 1898 (1a 577)

Herbert may have died in infancy (Herbert Murray aged 1, Sep qtr 1899 Pancras 1b 112).

Possibly buried 29 August 1899 Camden, per free index at www.deceasedonline.com.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Father of Sidney MURREY (MURRAY) born 1895 in London
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 09 December 18 16:48 GMT (UK) »
Is it possible to find baptismes for Harriet's children?