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Offline Susan Smith

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Romany Connections - Smith
« on: Sunday 09 December 18 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  I really need some help/pointers,  I have posted many times re William Smith b1892 who was my hubbies Grandfather, his Dad was George,  William disappeared from the marital home in 1933 and its said no one knew what happened to him or where he went.  we do not know where they came from.

From Hubbies matches it appears that he has Romany connections which we thought were on his Paternal Line but we have now found that he has smiths also on Maternal line. 

He has a strong DNA match of over 200 CM but just cannot find the connection.  I have however come across some matches with same smiths today,  some names Jasper Smith m Ann Heron, children Charles Smith b1804 d1804 Sophia b1805 and Wisdom 1817,  also a Sidnol Smith 1806 who married a Patience Buckland,   I want to try and work back to see where it leads and whether it leads to Hubbies Smith.  Any Tips or Help would be very much be appreciated.  Sue

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Re: Romany Connections - Smith
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 09 December 18 13:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi I can find a Licensed Hawker George Smith aged 38 b Thornbury with a son William aged 8 b Thornbury, and family at Westerleigh Common, Gloucestershire but not knowing pob of William does not help!
Census ref RG13/2407/11/14
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Re: Romany Connections - Smith
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 December 18 14:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Keyboard86. Cannot seem to find that,  what year Census please?

Sue

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Re: Romany Connections - Smith
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 09 December 18 14:12 GMT (UK) »
 :) If aged 8 for William it is the 1901.
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Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: Romany Connections - Smith
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 09 December 18 17:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi Susan with a name like Smith with possible Romany connections could you tell us when/where/ and to whom William Smith married, this is the family in 1901 as a possible, if anyone can locate pre/post this census or births might help!

George Smith 38 occ Licensed Hawker b Thornbury
Eliza 36
Vesta 19
Alice 16
Bertha 14
Mark 12
Gilderoy? 11
Andrew 9
William 8
Joseph 1
Residing with a number of Licensed Hawker families at Westerleigh Common, Chipping Sodbury
Census ref RG13/2407/11/14
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Re: Romany Connections - Smith
« Reply #5 on: Monday 04 February 19 07:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  I really need some help/pointers,  I have posted many times re William Smith b1892 who was my hubbies Grandfather, his Dad was George,  William disappeared from the marital home in 1933 and its said no one knew what happened to him or where he went.  we do not know where they came from.

From Hubbies matches it appears that he has Romany connections which we thought were on his Paternal Line but we have now found that he has smiths also on Maternal line. 

He has a strong DNA match of over 200 CM but just cannot find the connection.  I have however come across some matches with same smiths today,  some names Jasper Smith m Ann Heron, children Charles Smith b1804 d1804 Sophia b1805 and Wisdom 1817,  also a Sidnol Smith 1806 who married a Patience Buckland,   I want to try and work back to see where it leads and whether it leads to Hubbies Smith.  Any Tips or Help would be very much be appreciated.  Sue

Eric Trudgill writes about Jasper Smith and Ann Heron married 1803

http://www.gypsygenealogy.com/showarticle.php?article_id=118
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Romany Connections - Smith
« Reply #6 on: Monday 04 February 19 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Ann Heron that married Jasper Smith was the child of Richard 'Dick' Heron

Richard Heron was married to 1.Devit and 2. Margaret

There is a bit of a tree here

http://www.geocities.ws/seraphim_angel_2002/HeronPedigree2.html

The name William appears but how this links to your William and George Smith is a puzzle

I suspect they may have used alias sometimes
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Romany Connections - Smith
« Reply #7 on: Monday 04 February 19 08:09 GMT (UK) »
Jasper Smith was christened 16th Dec 1781 at Long Buckby, Northants his parents are given as Jasper and Catherine, he married an Ann Heron on 20th July 1803 at Tadmarton Oxfordshire.

Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)