John Moore born c 1844, where was he in 1851 and 1861?

[Tickettyboo]

Unsure whether this belongs on this board or the Durham one, but he says he was born in Northallerton and its earlier records for him I am looking for.

I am sure  about John from 1865 (his first marriage) through to a likely, but as yet unconfirmed, death in 1910 aged 66. In all the records from 1871 onwards, this man worked as a railway signalman.
I am struggling prior to 1865 though. The only info I have is that he consistently claims to have been born c 1844 in Northallerton and, from his marriage to Hannah W[e]ightman, nee Harwood in 1881, his Dad was John Moore, a labourer.
The records I do have are listed below, to save anyone duplicating effort if they have time to look.
ANY straw I can clutch at would be gratefully received :-)


1910      Death Registration possible, waiting for cert      Deaths 1910 Q2 Gateshead, age 66
1901      Census  32 Walton Street, Gateshead      RG13/Piece 4751/ Folio21/Pages 33 & 34
1891      Census  9 Walton Street, Gateshead      RG12/ Piece4175/ Folio11/ Page15
1881      Census  Low Fell Station                      RG11/ Piece5041/ Folio134/ Page 44
1881      Marriage Certificate to Hannah Weightman   Marriages Q4 1881 Gateshead, age 33      
1873      Marriage Registration 2  (to Eliza Kirton)   Marriages 1873 Q1 Stockton
1871      Census    Ferryhill, Durham                       RG10/ Piece4910/ Folio62/Page33
1865      Marriage Registration 1  (to Margaret Angus)      Marriages 1865 Q4 Stockton
1861      Not yet found John in 1861      
1851      Not yet found John in 1851   
1844      Possible Baptism               http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n5v/
1844      Birth Registration - possible but unconfirmed Births 1844 Q2 Northallerton

[rosie99]

The 'possible birth' reg gives mmn Wood

MOORE, JOHN       mmnWOOD     
GRO Reference: 1844  June Quarter in NORTHALLERTON UNION  Volume 24  Page 428

Possible sibling
MOORE, HANNAH       mmn OOD     
GRO Reference: 1850  Sept Quarter in NORTHALLERTON UNION  Volume 24  Page 509   
 

The family in 1851 which would also match the baptism for parents names
HO107/2377 f290 p13

John Moore 40
Elizabeth 39
George 9
John 7
Thomas 4
Hannah 6 mos.

[Tickettyboo]

Thanks Rosie, good of you to take the time to help.

I have seen that census but was very unsure about it as it says the Dad was a farmer of 14 acres, yet in 1881 when he married Hannah he said his Dad was a labourer. Its gone into the 'possibles' folder now though as its a long shot but workable if I can find something to corroborate it.

I may have to send for one of his other marriage records to see what they say about his Dad. Unless someone knows of a source of parish registers/ transcripts that are available online that may cover 1865  and 1873 marriages? I haven't done much research in this area and don't know what is  available.
Modified - apologies, Stockton is, of course, in Durham . No idea why I typed the above, this man has me punch drunk today!

thanks
Boo

[avm228]

An online tree has the Elizabeth Moore from that family dying in Northallerton, Dec qtr 1858, but the GRO has that death indexed with age 69 so apparently not a match.

I’d have thought the first marriage certificate should be a priority, given that it is the earliest confirmed sighting of the correct John.

[Tickettyboo]

Thanks avm,

I'm smiling about the online tree, so many don't check registrations against anything else and there's never a category for 'possible but not confirmed' on these online trees. Sadly its probably been copied many times since.

John is what I class as a 'Marie-Tontie' - i.e. he was married [on]to my 2x Great Aunt. I have their marriage certificate and have done for some time.
Though I'd really like to tidy his details up (I'm currently working my way through everyone trying to fill in gaps) getting certificates for 2 wives before he married into my tree has been way down on the list the budget allows for so far.

I may yet get these certs but I'm trying to find and explore other, not so expensive, options first.

Thanks for taking the time to help.

Boo