George Henry Brown and Elizabeth Primmer - marriage Southampton(?) ca 1865

[Petros]

George Henry Brown (1842-1934), son of John,and Sarah baptised 30 Apr 1843 in Southampton. Married to Elizabeth by 1866 when the first of their 13 children was born. They moved to Battersea in the 1870s.


Elizabeth was born in Southampton ca 1848 and died in 1905 or 1910. All the childrens' birth records on the GRO site show their mother's name as Primmer or Primer.


But no relevant marriage is evident in the GRO indexes.  The closest match is for a George Henry Brown married Elizabeth Church at Winchester in 1868

[JJen]

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[avm228]

Born c1848 and first child mid-1866 makes Elizabeth a very young mother, so it may be that parenthood took the couple by surprise and they didn’t make it up the aisle.

[avm228]

I see that in 1871 the Browns are living at the same address as what must be Primmer relatives - her father & brothers, perhaps?

1871 census: RG10/1187/140/12

24 Belle Vue St, Southampton

Richard Primmer Head Wid 57 Gardener
William do Son Unm 29 Gardener
Edward do Son Unm 15 Gardener

George Brown Head Mar 23 Labourer
Elizabeth do Wife Mar 22
Elizabeth do Daur 4
Richard do Son 2

(All born Southampton).

[avm228]

At almost the same address - 29 Belle Vue St, Southampton, in 1851, are Richard & Ann “Primer” with their Southampton-born children:

Richard 14
William 12
George 10
Eliza 6
Elizabeth 2 <<<

HO107/1669/59/17

[avm228]

This actually seems to have been a second marriage for Richard Primmer - marr Ann Yates, Mar qtr 1843 Southampton.

Elizabeth Primmer, mmn Yates, birth reg Mar qtr 1849 Southampton 7a 222
Edward Primmer, mmn Yeats, birth reg Jun qtr 1854 Southampton 2c 40

[Petros]

Thanks all. I'd missed those census snippets. The advantages of viewing films rather than transcripts

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I hope you don't mind me asking, but are you sure that the George Henry BROWN married to Elizabeth PRIMMER is the George son of John and Sarah? I ask because I found the following,


Marriage

John BROWN    Dec Q 1838    Southampton    7    264
Sarah WHITE

23 Dec 1838
All Saints, Southampton
John BROWN
Sarah WHITE


1841  HO/416/4  f.7  p.8  All Saints, Southampton
Cheapside, Canal Terrace

BROWN
John      25    Butcher   Y
Sarah   25                    Y


Baptism
30 April 1843
All Saints, Southampton
George
Parents: John & Sarah BROWN

No middle name of Henry.


Baptism
24 Jan 1849
All Saints, Southampton
Annie Maria
Parents: John & Sarah BROWN

Unfortunately I can't see the image for the baptism or marriage to see if their address or occuption is mentioned, can anyone else help with this?


Death
Sarah BROWN    Sep Q 1849    Southampton    7  270
Age:  33


1851  HO107/1669  f.948  p.21  All Saints, Southampton
Town Ditches

BROWN
John       Head  Wid  36    Butcher    Southampton
George    Son             8                          "    "                Deaf and Dumb
Maria      Daur            2                          "    "
Mary Ann BROWN    Serv    Widow    36    Servant    Hants Lymington
Mary HEDGES          Serv    Un         16    Servant    Southampton


It's this census that makes me wonder if John and Sarah are definitely 'your' George's parents. George is deaf and dumb and it looks like he can be followed on the following censuses,


1861  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n64/     The image shows that all the pupils are "deaf from birth"

1871  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n65/     The image shows he was "Deaf & Dumb from birth"

1881  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n66/    The image shows he was "Deaf & Dumb from birth"


Possible Marriage
George BROWN    Jun Q 1882    Kensington    1a  374
Maria ROWLETT


1891  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n68/    The image shows he was "Deaf and Dumb"

1901  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01n69/    The image shows that he is married, but Maria isn't there, and Deaf & Dumb



I lose him after this because there are so many George BROWN deaths that could be him.


Is the 1871 census found by avm228 the earliest census you have that is definitely 'your' George Henry?



Regards,
Daisy

[mckha489]

I haven’t followed this to it’s end yet but regarding the Browns,

1911, there are NUTCHER visitors. One labelled a sister in law all b Southampton
Added... I think the sister in law belongs to Ethel NUTCHER

Including Ethel Mary age 26.  (Who is just labelled visitor)

Free BMD has

Marriages Sep 1906  Southampton RD all with ref 2c   31   
Ethel Mary   BROWN         
Albert Walter Crook           
Charlotte Masters           
Harry NUTCHER       

And poss birth here
 
BROWN, ETHEL  MARY     DENCH     
GRO Reference: Jun qtr 1883  SOUTHAMPTON  Volume 02C  Page 48