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Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« on: Tuesday 18 December 18 12:40 GMT (UK) »
According to census records Jacob Adam Langwasser was born in Relsberg (Hefersweiler?), Bavaria in 1862/3.In 1885 he married Sarah Ann Raymond in Newton Abbot Devon.

When did he enter Britain? I cannot find him in 1881 so assume he had not then arrived.

In 1901 he is described  as "naturalised". Is there any record of his conversion?

I have details of his marriage, children, death and census records but would welcome any additional information. He should not be confused with Jacob Langwasser (a cousin?), of Bideford.

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 December 18 13:00 GMT (UK) »
UK passenger lists did not record travel within Europe unless a ship called at more than one European port before travelling further afield - unlikely you will find your Jacob that way.   :-\

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 December 18 19:01 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Sandra. Not the answer I was hoping for, but if that's how it is, that's how it is!

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 18 December 18 20:10 GMT (UK) »

 :'( :'(

Couldn't see him listed in UK, Naturalisation Certificates and Declarations, 1870-1916
Naturalisation certificates would typically list the name of the immigrant, residence, birthplace, age, parentsí names, occupation, and the names of any underage children...................

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 08:47 GMT (UK) »
Oh, dear! It looks as if I am out of luck.

I have been unable to find record of Jacob's birth/baptism on Family Search and have sent for his marriage certificate in the hope it will give his father's name.

In1874 Peter Langwasser married Catherina Weber and raised their family of four known children in Relsberg. I did wonder if Jacob was their child, born before they married and registered in the name of Weber but can find nothing to substantiate that. Also Peter would have only been aged about 14/15 at the time, so probably unlikely.

At that time Relsberg was little more than a hamlet, without a church. Heferweiler was the nearest small town. Peter's children were all baptised in Evangelish Neiderkirchen, Otterberg, Pfalz.

What little hope I have now of making progress depends on the contents of the marriage certificate and I am not holding breath.

P S. Error. Peter, born 1838, would have been about 24/25, so perfectly possible. (Too early for complicated maths!)

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 12:40 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if this link is any use to you. Possibly one of his children?

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14829746
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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Yes, thanks. Hermann adopted his mother's maiden  name.

His other son, Leo Jacob Langwasser,  also has an entry.

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 16:29 GMT (UK) »
have sent for his marriage certificate in the hope it will give his father's name.
It is almost certain to do so, if Jacob was able to provide it. Do post the details when you get the certificate.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 18:01 GMT (UK) »
He should not be confused with Jacob Langwasser (a cousin?), of Bideford.
A few questions  :) which will help clarify:
How old is Bideford Jacob?
Where was he born?
What are the names & dates of birth of Peter's children & wife?
Are there any large gaps in these childrens' births?
And of the Bideford Jacob's children [these could indicate a family connection]?
Do you know how common the name Langwasser was in Relsberg?
Might Newton Jacob have changed his name from something else to slightly anglicise it?

Can you give the 1891 & 1901 census refs please?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON