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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 December 18 22:10 GMT (UK) »
For interest here is another Langwasser researcher [long time ago in 2009]
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=417131.msg2829582#msg2829582

From Familysearch I see children of Peter Langwasser & Catherina Weber are
C(K)atherina bap 1866
Johannes bap 1869
Elisabetha bap 1871
Magdalena 1873

Of Johannes Langwasser & Dorothea Buehler
Adam 1862
Jacob 1870 [from the above thread it appears this is BIdeford Jacob]
Katharine 1872
Karl no date
& of Johannes Langwasser & Katharina Dolzart
Johannes Heinrich 1874

Could Newton Jacob be the 1862 Adam?

Is there any way you can obtain the marriage certificate of Peter & Catherine Weber to see if Adam was likely to be the first child?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 December 18 08:58 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that, Josey. I have most of it but had overlooked the possible significance  of Adam (1862)
From a thread on Ancestry Message Board I have gleaned the following about Jacob of Bideford.
Jacob married  Annie Nicholls. Bideford 1901
Jacob born 1875 Hefersweiler. Son of Johannes and  Dorothea.
Johannes born before parents married. Baptised in name of Jacob Ecker. Changed name to Johannes Langwasser after marriage of father, Johannes, to Catherina Ecker. I have checked none of this.

Johannes Langwasser married Catherina Ecker November 1836 Hefersweiler.
Peter, son of Johannes and Catherina, born  Aug 1838. Hefersweiler.
Married  Catherina Weber July 1865. Hefersweiler.
The children you have.
Peter, widower, former wife Catherina Weber, married Katherina Klein May 1874, Hefersweiler.

Children of Jacob of Bideford.
Annie Louisa 1902, Florence W 1903, Dorothy 1905, Betsy Amelia, 1907, Margaret A 1909. Willhelm J 1911.
Death? Jacob Langwasser, age 57, March 1936 Aled.

Children of Jacob of Newton Abbot.
Katherine Mary A 1885, Herman Charles 1893, Leo Jacob 1896.
Death. Jacob Langwasser, age 70,  Sep 1932, Newton Abbot.

1891 (Free Cen) Jacob, Sarah and Katherina living Bayards Cove Hill, Dartmouth. Piece1710, district 2, folio 32, page 23, schedule 154.

1901 (Family Search) Jacob, Sarah and two sons living Quay Road, Woolborough, Newton Abbot. (Sorry, no reference)

I think that has answered all your questions.

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 20 December 18 09:29 GMT (UK) »


1901 (Family Search) Jacob, Sarah and two sons living Quay Road, Woolborough, Newton Abbot. (Sorry, no reference)


1901 Quay Road.

Jacob A Langwasser   38 Sarah Ann Langwasser 35
Hermann Langwasser   8 Leo Jacob Langwasser 4
Arthur W Smout   20
Lucie Neil   6
Henry Heit   3


Reference :-  RG13 Piece 2056 Folio 129 Page 23

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1891 Bayards Cove Hill Dartmouth, St Petrox, Devon

Jacob A Langwasser   29 Sarah Ann Langwasser   26
Katherina M A Langwasser   5


RG12 Piece 1710 Folio 32 Page 23

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 20 December 18 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for all that; though you haven't checked all of it that's a good basis for research. Thanks, Sandra, for the censuses.

The marriage certificate of Jacob Adam & Sarah Ann will be useful. It appears then that the date
of Jacob Adam's birth 1862 is before the marriage of Peter & Catherine 1865. Have you looked for the baptism of a Jacob A Weber?
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 20 December 18 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Not expecting Jacob's marriage cert until after Christmas. (28 Dec?)

Have not traced birth/ baptism record for Jacob Adam Weber.

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 21 December 18 06:44 GMT (UK) »
The demand for various links seems to be convoluting this post a bit, so here are some of them (Note: there could be other kids):


Johannes Langwasser
X 08 Nov 1836 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XGX3?i=80 )
Catharina Ecker
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Johannes b May 1832 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XGX3?i=80 )
Catharina b Feb 1834 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-86R5?i=108 )
Peter b 18 Aug 1838 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Adan b 28 May 1836 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Elisabetha b 16 Jul 1840 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Barbara b 5Jun 1842 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Heinrich 30 Jul 1844 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Heinrich b 9 Oct 1850 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Jacob b 5 Aug 1853 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria

 
Johannes Langwasser
X 01 Aug 1860 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XL2Y?i=184 )
Dorothea Buehler/Bühler
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Johannes b 2 Mar 1861 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria, bap 10 Mar 1861 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Adam b 9 Jun 1862 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria  (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-8DZP?i=305 ), bap 22 Jun 1862 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
NN b/d 26 Dec 1963 Evangelisch, Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Karl b 20 Dec 1864 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria, bap 26 Dec 1864 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Catharina b 29 Apr 1866 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Christina b 6 Apr 1868 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria
Jakob b 6 Jan 1870 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria, died Feb 1870 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XLYY?i=527&cat=253262 )
Katharina bap 9 Jun 1872 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria
Heinrich bap 26 Jul 1874 Evangelisch,Niederkirchen Otterberg, Pflaz, Bavaria, d 18 May 1877
Karl b 1876 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-8Z73?i=21&cat=253262 )
Heinrich b 1881 (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-8CSR?i=125&cat=253262 )
(Note: Civil Registration birth years 1874 and 1875 are missing and baptisms are not accessible from home)


I believe Adam 1862 is currently your best bet, so I haven't bothered with the after-marriage kids of the following couple. I did have a look for pre-marriage kids, but nothing obvious turned up:

Peter Langwasser
X 27 Jul 1865 Hefersweiler, Pflaz, Bavaria (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJB-XLP5?i=215 )
Catharina Weber
 

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 21 December 18 07:44 GMT (UK) »
Thank you, Treespirit, for that consolidated and comprehensive presentation which gives the complete (as far as is known) picture. A masterpiece of effort and  dedication. I'm only sorry that I cannot read German.

I agree, Adam 1862 appears to be the most likely individual. It has made me all the more impatient to see the marriage certificate.

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 21 December 18 08:03 GMT (UK) »

It's the script I struggle with the most ... Words can be translated, but it is a bit hard when you can't identify the actual letters   ;D

Let me know if you need help pinpointing some other certificates and/or events once you get a copy of the marriage certificate. As I mentioned, there is civil registration stuff missing in the middle of the 1870's, but the rest seems to be there ....

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Re: Jacob A Langwasser. When did he arrive?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 21 December 18 08:30 GMT (UK) »

BTW I had noticed that an Adam Langwasser b abt 1862 had gone to the USA. And, there are a few posts on RC that mention that this guy got married in Hefersweiler in 1895 (there is nothing in the civil registration, but maybe the church records have extra events).  Anything is still possible ...