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Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« on: Thursday 20 December 18 20:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi, I am a descendant of Elizabeth Emily Spirrell (as spelt on the England & Wales Births record), born 1872, East Pennard.

(Elizabeth) Emily appears on the 1881 and 1891 census with her parents Edward and Elizabeth Sperill together with siblings John Hatcher (step brother), William Hatcher (step brother), Frank, James and Jane Sperill, living at Huckey Mead, East Pennard.

I see a marriage for an Edwin Spirrell and Elizabeth Hatcher on 2 June 1870 at East Pennard. This must be one and the same person as the Hatcher step children were with them in 1881 and 1891. The marriage record gives Edwin/Edward's father as James Spirell, labourer.  Edwin/Edward is dead by the 1891 census but on the two census records it shows he was born in Somerset.

Searching for Edward/Edwin's baptism record I find one for Edwin Spurrell on 11 June 1848 in East Pennard. This shows Edwin's father as James Spurrell and mother as Ann. There is a marriage record for a James Bush Spearell marrying either a Sarah Rissiter or Ann Martin Allen on 3 Feb 1845.

The problem starts when I try and find Edwin/Edward with his parents on the early census records.
In 1851 and 1861 Edwin is with his sister, Julia b.1846, but they are not with their parents. They are living with their aunt/uncle - Stephen and Maria Allen in Huckey Mead, East Pennard. I should also say they are both listed as "Spinel" on the 1861 census, just to complicate things.

Also whilst Julia's birth is given as Baltonsborough, Som, Edwin is listed as born Cardiff, Glam (1861) and Monmouthshire, Wales (1851). On the 1851 and 1861 census Edwin's birth stated Somerset.

I have found some Spirells (plus different spellings) living in Ponty pool, Monmouthshire in the 1800's but cannot work out a connection to my East Pennard family. 

Why are these two children not with their mother and father, and where are their parents?

I would be very grateful for anyone's help.

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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 December 18 22:24 GMT (UK) »
The birth has mmn as White:

SPIRRELL, ELIZABETH  EMILY mmn WHITE
GRO Reference: 1872  D Quarter in SHEPTON MALLET  Volume 05C  Page 546

Is this mother’s first marriage?:

Dec 1864 Shepton M 5c 996a
HATCHER William Thomas Tomlin
WHITE Elizabeth   

Second marriage:

Jun 1870 Shepton Mallet 5c 935
HATCHER Elizabeth
SPIRELL Edwin

Julia’s birth, but not seeing Edwin’s:

SPIREL, JULIA mmn ALEN 
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in WELLS  Volume 10  Page 526

Marriage:

Mar 1845 Shepton Mallet 10 665   
SPEARILL James Bush
ALLEN Ann Martin

As stated, the 1851 and 1861 census:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGG2-6Z9

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FQ-BNR

Edwin and Ann on the 1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJ5-S5R

Children of Elizabeth Hatcher:

HATCHER, JOHN  WILLIAM mmn WHITE 
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in SHEPTON MALLET  Volume 05C  Page 586

HATCHER, ELIZABETH  SOPHIA mmn WHITE
GRO Reference: 1867  S Quarter in SHEPTON MALLET  Volume 05C  Page 562 (died 1868)

HATCHER, WILLIAM  THOMAS mmn WHITE
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in SHEPTON MALLET  Volume 05C  Page 552

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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 December 18 01:01 GMT (UK) »
In case you don’t have:

Marriage:

Jun 1870 Shepton Mallet 5c 934
COLLINS William Robert           
SPIRELL Julia

Julia on the 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJ5-S6W

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27X-F3JP

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WPY2-6N2

Think she may have died in 1893:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2J2W-WCS

I don’t see births to Julia and William.

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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 December 18 10:10 GMT (UK) »
Yes Elizabeth White first married William Hatcher in 1864, then Edward/Edwin Sperill in 1870, and finally Frank Balch in 1893.

Edwin Spurrel's baptism record as on the Somerset Baptism index - 11 June 1848, East Pennard, Anglican, father's first name: James, last name - Spurrell, mother's first name: Ann.  Father's occupation: Tailor. Page 80. Archive ref: D/P/E PEN/2/1/6.

Spurrels I found on 1871 census in Cwm, Panteg, Monmouthshire.

James Spurrell b.1806 born Batcombe, Somerset - labourer.
Eliza Spurrell b.1827 born Somerset ?  Glenmoie????
James  "       b.1855 born Batcombe, Somerset - hitcher in coal?
Sarah   "       b. 1860 born Swansea Glamorgan
Robert  "      b. 1862 born Shepton Mallet, Somerset
Rebecca "    b.1865 born Newport, Monmouth

Interestly James Bush Spearell (father of Edwin/Edward Spirell) was born in Batcombe 13 Apr 1821, so there is a connection there.

I'd wondered whether, after Edwin/Edward was born, James had ended up in prison, and that was why I couldn't find him on the censuses - there is a prison in Shepton Mallet.  ???


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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 December 18 12:18 GMT (UK) »
Hello
Here's the marriage in 1845 in case you don't have it
3.2.1845 East Pennard
James Bush Spirel full tailor s of Robert labourer
Ann Martin Allen minor d of Stephen Allen labourer
wit john Allen and Stephen Cooper.

In 1851 this looks like Ann at West Pennard
Laverley George Brethel 57 farmer Mark Compton Wilts
Anne wife  52 Somerset
Mary 19
Jane 15
Thomas 11
Ann Spirel 25 servant West Pennerd
No indication of married or unmarried

Ann remarries at Bedminster  27.10.1864 .I can only see the mini  transcript but it gives her father as Stephen Allen.

1871 Bristol Old Park Grove House Lodge
John Bridgman 37 gardener Berks Wargrave
Ann 44 Somerset E Pennard
William 10 Gloucester Hempstead imbecile from birth
Amelia A 5 Bristol
John E 4 Bristol

William was baptised at Hempstead 6.7.1860 s of John and Amy Bridgman gardener
He's not Ann's son and John is with a wife Mary age 26 in 1861

1881 Tyndales Park Lodge
John 48 gardener   Wargrave
Ann 54 East Pennard
William 20 Hempstead imbecile from birth
Amelia A 15 dressmaker apprentice Bristol
Julia Collins d in law 35 married visitor dressmaker Battensbrough somerset

1891 The Lodge High Park Place Bristol
John Bridgman 53 gardener  Berks
Ann 63   East Pennard
Amelia A 25 mantle maker Bristol St Michael
Sarah j Spiele granddaughter 13 East Pennard

Which begs the question where is James?

ps James is on the 1841 census at East Pennard
James Speril 19 F A ?/servant to  John Bush taylor age 28 and Fanny age 30,William 6,Eliza 3 ,John 1

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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 December 18 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Sorry if you already have this but Ann Spirel father Stephen Allen marriage 27 Oct 1864 to John Bridgeman - is this Edwins mother Ann?

If so presume James Bush father has died before 1864.
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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 December 18 12:22 GMT (UK) »
Yes that's right

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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #7 on: Friday 21 December 18 12:34 GMT (UK) »
1861 Brislington House  Brislington Somerset
Ann Spirle  34 unmarried cook East Pennard

And in 1841 Hambridge East Pennard
Stephen Allen 35 farmer y
Maria 35 y
Ann 15 y
Silvanus 11 y

Her uncle and aunts  marriage Stephen Allen and Maria Martin  27.8.1822 wit William and Ann Allen

Still can't see her baptism.

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Re: Elizabeth Emily SPIRRELL born 1872 East Pennard
« Reply #8 on: Friday 21 December 18 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Possible baptism for Ann/Martin Allen/Spirle/Bridgman

Ann Martin at East Pennard Oct 1 1820 d of Ann Martin pauper East Pennard

Mother Ann Martin bapt 22 April 1804 d of John and Sussanna Martin who had a daughter Maria Martin 6 Feb 1800 who went on to marry Stephen Allen in 1822.
Ann Martin senior was buried 29.4.1843 at East Pennard age 38 still living at home with mom and dad on the 1841 census.

Let's hope that Stephen Allen didn't have a daughter with one sister and marry the other.

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