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Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« on: Friday 21 December 18 11:05 GMT (UK) »
The attached photo is supposedly the genetic parents of my great grandmother Elsie May Beddows born 7th June 1903, Lichfield, Staffordshire and died 20th August 1969, Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham. Elsie's married name was Haynes, her adoptive parents Beddows and her genetic parents Robinson (unfortunately I do not have Elsie's birth certificate)
I have been told the gentleman in the photo is a Corporal either in the Royal Artillery or Royal Engineers and a bandsman with the surname Robinson.
Can anyone confirm and give me any additional information
Many thanks

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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 December 18 13:44 GMT (UK) »
Preliminary thoughts until the experts arrive.

Not a corporal.  I would expect stripes on the upper right arm.  The two stripes (inverted chevrons?) on the lower left sleeve indicate good conduct.  I believe that the first stripe was issued after two years and the second after six years service.

Medals - very indistinct, but seem to be campaign medals (with the one on the right having at least one bar.  Probably the Queen's South Africa Medal but I can't be certain.

Belt buckle - it just doesn't look right for Royal Artillery.  This man's buckle is circular - possibly a laurel wreath with inset crown surrounding an emblem or monarch's initials, but my imaging software isn't good enough to improve the definition.

Epaulettes - consistent with a bandsman.

Sorry I can't be more definite.
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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 December 18 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Overlap with Philip who has similar thoughts.

He is certainly a bandsman, his right sleeve has the musician badge.  He is not a corporal however. The two inverted stripes on the lower sleeve are good conduct badges, at that time awarded for at least 6 years service.

The regiment is less clear.  Although the collar badge looks like the grenade badge of both RA and RE, I believe both had more ornate cuff embellishments (austrian knots) so this may well be a fusilier regiment (Google fusiliers bandsman images for comparison).

Given the date, the medals may well be Boer War but rather too many Robinsons to check out.  Do you have a first name and/or year of birth?

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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 December 18 15:43 GMT (UK) »
Probably taken 1904-08 so after the birth.
Could Elsie have been registered under her mother's maiden name?
These are the "Elsie May" births June Q 1903 Lichfield.

TOLLEY Elsie May
Lichfield/6b/498

DERRY Elsie May
Lichfield 6b/492
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 December 18 21:01 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for all your responses, I'm afraid I cannot provide any more information.
With reference to your comment Jim I see there are marriages for John Robinson and Julia Derry, June quarter 1893, Lichfield and John William Robinson and Eliza Derry, June quarter 1899, Lichfield !

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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #5 on: Friday 21 December 18 22:22 GMT (UK) »
The left hand Medal I believe to be  Queen's South Africa medal, it looks to have five bars. The right hand Medal with one bar is the King's South Africa Medal, the ribbon is fairly clear.

I agree the Engineers sleeve had the Austrian knot, and the  white piping down the front is also wrong for the Engineers.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #6 on: Friday 21 December 18 23:38 GMT (UK) »
I am guessing that Elsie married Arthur J. HAYNES in Lichfield in 1926 and they are living in Lichfield in 1933. If that is correct then her date of birth is given as the  3 July 1903 not June but birth dates are often slightly  wrong in the 1839 Register, her name on marriage was BEDDOW without the S.

Then there is a birth of Elsie May BEDDOW, again with no S in Lichfield in 1904, not 3 in the June Qtr, Vol 06B page 513, mother's maiden name WRIGHT.

It looks to me as if the name Robinson is a red herring.

Addendum

Possible name for man in photo Charles BEDDOW Royal Welsh Fusiliers, worth looking further at him.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 December 18 16:34 GMT (UK) »
He is not RWF as the cuffs are not correct for an infantry soldier.

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Re: Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 December 18 17:43 GMT (UK) »
He is not RWF as the cuffs are not correct for an infantry soldier.

I am going by this RWF Museum image.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.