Robinson/ Beddows/Haynes

[alan o]

Also with round cuffs and a goat. 

[Peety]

Postscript:
I now have the birth certificate for Elsie May, she was born June 3rd 1903, Wade Street, Lichfield, Staffordshire to a Alice James a domestic servant but no father given. This ties in nicely with Elsie's marriage certificate to Arthur Haynes on October 19th 1926 where her full name is given as Elsie May James Beddow : so showing her mothers surname, James and adoptive parents name Beddow.
This does however throw up more questions about who the people are in the original photo I posted. Others have now concluded that the Regiment was the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers
The story I was always told by my grandmother was that the man in the photo is Elsie's real father and was a man named Robinson. I have tried to find a Bandsman Robinson of the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers but with no joy. Is the name Robinson a complete red herring as already suggested? Also why would Elsie have a photo of what I am assuming is her genetic father and his wife, would the wife not have been cut off. Also what would place a man from the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers in Staffordshire during 1902 ( at the point of a Elsie's conception? Any ideas please?

[alan o]

Sorry to be difficult but I cannot see anything to identify his regt as the Inniskillings,  What was the basis of the attribution?

[Peety]

Alan I tried to include a photo with my post but it didn't seem to let me. I took a magnified view of the collar badge which did look like the Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers. I will try again

[alan o]

The collar badge is the universal grenade - the universal title is the clue that it was used by several regts including RA and several fusiliers.  There is nothing specifically Irish about the soldiers so yiu may be chasing a false lead looking for an Inniskilling bandsman,

[Peety]

Are you able to shed any light on the Regiment Alan?

[alan o]

The fusiliers grenade is universal but the collar piping is the key to identifying it.  The piping on the top line of the collar would be right for an Inniskilling where as Welsh or Royal Fusilier had piping on the bottom of the collar.

The Lancashire Fusiliers had light coloured collars so you can rule them out as well.

The 1st Battalion of the RIF were in the Boer war and in Ireland from 1902-7 where as the 2nd were  in SA in 1901 a swell and in Egypt from 1902.

[alan o]

This is a list of Robinsons in the inniskillings who were awarded the SA medal:
Robinson   Arthur         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   C E         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   C T         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   F   111   Sergeant   1st Btn. Wounded at Colenso. 15 Dec 1899.
Source: Natal Field Force Casualty Roll, page 97 line 3
Robinson   Francis         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   Frank         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   H         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   J         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   James         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   Joseph         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
son   K   5686   Private   Slightly wounded. Rooival, 11 April 1902
1st Battalion. 11 Ml
Source: South African Field Force Casualty Roll
Robinson   K         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   Richard         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   Richard T         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   S   4330   Private   1st Btn. Wounded at Natal. 23 Feb 1900.
Source: Natal Field Force Casualty Roll, page 101 line 25
Robinson   S P B         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   Samuel         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   T         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   W         1st Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls
Robinson   William         2nd Battalion
Source: QSA and KSA medal rolls

[Peety]

Alan many thanks for all that information and forgive my ignorance but are you saying it could be the Inniskilling Fusiliers?
This is pure conjecture but could he possibly be North Staffordshire Regiment, I believe they returned to the UK in 1902 and were based at Whittington Barracks which is just 3 miles from Lichfield where Elsie was born ?