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More Illegitimate Ancestors
« on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:05 GMT (UK) »
Hey,

I'm back again with another ancestor this time that has been annoying me a little bit.
My great-great grandmother, Annie Elizabeth Anderson (born Lombardini).
There is a Civil Registration for her birth, and I would love to obtain the original certificate and I'm willing to fork out money for it, but I don't know where to go to find it. I've made various searches on BMD databases for a Lombardini/Lumberding but cannot find anything.

Annie was born in Huddersfield, 1867 to then single (we believe) Fanny Piercy Lombardini. A year later, Fanny married a man by the name of Ephraim Jackson.
In all censuses until her marriage, Annie is noted as Annie Lombardini or Lumberding etc.
In her first marriage in 1892, Elizabeth Lumberding (my Annie) marries a Harrison Illingworth. Points to note is that she uses her mother's maiden name and does not mention a father. This is the same in her second marriage to Frederick Anderson in 1898.

For some reason, there is a reference to a 'George Cuttle' passed down through our family as the father of Annie Elizabeth.

I have no doubts that Annie is illegitimate, I would just love a lead that could help me possibly find this mysterious father. It's a difficult task and I've looked and looked, but perhaps a new pair of eyes may aid my quest.
Even if I just find a record of her birth certificate, would be awesome.

Thank you for reading, Rootschat family.
Seasons greetings!
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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:20 GMT (UK) »
On freebmd all with same reference are

Births Dec 1867   (>99%)
Binns    Frank        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Bramhall    Oliver        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Cuttle    Ann Elizabeth        Huddersfield    9a   297   
Kimmans    Martha Ann        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Lawton    Charles Edward        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Lombardini    Ann Elizabeth        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Priestley    Hannah        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Smithson    George Henry        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Sutcliffe    Ellen Ann        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Taylor    Betsy Ann        Huddersfield    9a   297    
Whittell    Thomas Kaye        Huddersfield    9a   297

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:22 GMT (UK) »
Gro has

CUTTLE, ANN  ELIZABETH     -     Order
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD  Volume 09A  Page 297

Suggests mothers surname is Cuttle

Added, I don’t see it as Lombardini on GRO at all, which seems strange

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:36 GMT (UK) »
Gro has

CUTTLE, ANN  ELIZABETH     -     Order
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD  Volume 09A  Page 297

Suggests mothers surname is Cuttle

Added, I don’t see it as Lombardini on GRO at all, which seems strange

That's strange, as I can't find a marriage certificate for Fanny to a CUTTLE, and she goes by Lombardini (which is definitely her maiden name) until she marries Ephraim Jackson in 1868.
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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:44 GMT (UK) »
Is there a possibility at all that these two entries were for the same person, or not at all?
Perhaps there was a mix up in my family where someone else did some research and found the CUTTLE entrance instead of the LOMBARDINI entrance.
Is there a place where I can purchase Annie Elizabeth LOMBARDINI's original certificate?
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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:54 GMT (UK) »
I just had a search on the GRO's official site and couldn't find any entrance for a Lombardini in Huddersfield at that time. Unfortunately they don't let you search by volume number/page. I did search for Cuttle and that particular record surfaced.
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:54 GMT (UK) »
Someone more knowledgable may correct me but as I understand it

A. It is entirely possible that they are two entries for one and the same person. 
B. As the Lombardini one doesn't show on the GRO site, I would email them quoting the reference details for both the Cuttle and Lombardini entries explaining you want the one that has Fanny as the mother.  (I'll look again for you though just to make sure)
C. I probably wouldn't be able to resist buying the Cuttle one anyway as it is right there and PDF easily purchased. www.GRO.gov.uk   (PDF is cheapest way to purchase, - ask for that for B too)

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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 22 December 18 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Gro has

CUTTLE, ANN  ELIZABETH     -     Order
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in HUDDERSFIELD  Volume 09A  Page 297

Suggests mothers surname is Cuttle

Added, I don’t see it as Lombardini on GRO at all, which seems strange

I see now what you meant.
Perhaps because they were the same person and they just got rid of the LOMBARDINI one?

It just seems so strange.
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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 22 December 18 08:00 GMT (UK) »
Someone more knowledgable may correct me but as I understand it

A. It is entirely possible that they are two entries for one and the same person. 
B. As the Lombardini one doesn't show on the GRO site, I would email them quoting the reference details for both the Cuttle and Lombardini entries explaining you want the one that has Fanny as the mother.  (I'll look again for you though just to make sure)
C. I probably wouldn't be able to resist buying the Cuttle one anyway as it is right there and PDF easily purchased. www.GRO.gov.uk   (PDF is cheapest way to purchase, - ask for that for B too)

Thank you so much for your help!
I just sent a query to GRO so hopefully they respond with more information.
I'm gonna have to buy the CUTTLE one, I think.
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