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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 22 December 18 08:09 GMT (UK) »
i can't find Lombardini, or any variation I have managed to dredge up, on GRO

I've looked at the actual page with the LOMBARDINI entry, and the entries either side of her show up on GRO, so it's not that they have missed the page entirely.

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 22 December 18 09:24 GMT (UK) »
i can't find Lombardini, or any variation I have managed to dredge up, on GRO

I've looked at the actual page with the LOMBARDINI entry, and the entries either side of her show up on GRO, so it's not that they have missed the page entirely.

Okay, I’ll see what they have to say. Thanks once again for your help!
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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 22 December 18 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Let us know how you get on

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 22 December 18 19:10 GMT (UK) »
Dec Q 1867, findmypast
It's indexed as Lombardlen.  I'll report the error.

Pearson (Bradwell Dby & Stocksbridge)
Donkersley
Crawshaw (Bradfield)
Evans (Bradwell Dby and Stocksbridge)
Crossley (Penistone)
Rogers (Nottinghamshire & Stocksbridge)
Poynton / Pointon (Derbyshire)
Day (Barnsley WRY and Iowa USA)
Scargill (Barnsley)


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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 22 December 18 19:19 GMT (UK) »
The other entry...
Pearson (Bradwell Dby & Stocksbridge)
Donkersley
Crawshaw (Bradfield)
Evans (Bradwell Dby and Stocksbridge)
Crossley (Penistone)
Rogers (Nottinghamshire & Stocksbridge)
Poynton / Pointon (Derbyshire)
Day (Barnsley WRY and Iowa USA)
Scargill (Barnsley)

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 22 December 18 19:24 GMT (UK) »
Am I right in thinking that for an illegitimate birth the father has to be present for him to be named?

If so could his name have been added at a later date but in the same quarter and then added as a separate entry

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 22 December 18 19:57 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if you've run a search in the newspapers but Fanny Lombardini gets a few mentions in The Huddersfield Chronicle of 27 December 1862, in a case about seduction!  I've only skim read it, but a witness (a girl) mentions that she knew Fanny, and later mentions say that Fanny was "of light character", "disreputable" and that her and a friend were "such wicked girls"!!  I can PM you the article if you don't have access.  Then in January 1863 the following appeared -see attachment
Pearson (Bradwell Dby & Stocksbridge)
Donkersley
Crawshaw (Bradfield)
Evans (Bradwell Dby and Stocksbridge)
Crossley (Penistone)
Rogers (Nottinghamshire & Stocksbridge)
Poynton / Pointon (Derbyshire)
Day (Barnsley WRY and Iowa USA)
Scargill (Barnsley)

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 22 December 18 20:28 GMT (UK) »
You might be interested in this too.

By the way I checked my baptism transcriptions for Honley and Almondbury, but no luck.  Huddersfield FHS might be able to run a search for Annie Elizabeth's baptism for a small fee.  I only have the transcriptions I've mentioned.
Pearson (Bradwell Dby & Stocksbridge)
Donkersley
Crawshaw (Bradfield)
Evans (Bradwell Dby and Stocksbridge)
Crossley (Penistone)
Rogers (Nottinghamshire & Stocksbridge)
Poynton / Pointon (Derbyshire)
Day (Barnsley WRY and Iowa USA)
Scargill (Barnsley)

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Re: More Illegitimate Ancestors
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 23 December 18 01:56 GMT (UK) »
It's late and I'm a little woozy from pain killers, but my understanding is that for a birth registration where the parents are not married to each other but both are named, the GRO records the entry only once, in the surname of the father.  If the mother has never married then technically she does not have a 'maiden' surname, so her unmarried surname is not recorded at all, hence the - in the mmn field.

FreeBMD however, records the entry under both surnames.

So in this instance the GRO would only record the registration as Cuttle (father's surname) with no mmn noted.

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Am I right in thinking that for an illegitimate birth the father has to be present for him to be named?

Only after 1874.
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