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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #9 on: Monday 24 December 18 16:14 GMT (UK) »
Forget my last answer. It was poppycock
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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 December 18 07:34 GMT (UK) »
For Shanreagh
Thanks for your support and stimulation
The Full 1851 Census page containing  Dennis Boyle aged 15 links in very well with the information on Dennis's 1859 marriage document.

55 Bacadillly ? Street, Barony, Glasgow
Sarah Boyle Widow 50 Housewife Ireland
Cath Boyle  Unmarried 23 Cotton Mill Worker  Ireland
Ann Boyle Unmarried 18   Ditto                    Ireland   
Dennis Boyle Unmarried 15  Dockworker      Ireland

An adjacent family is called McGonigle

A good fit I think, which, if it is my family means the marriage in Ireland of Sarah McGonnigal and Bernard Boyle occurred before 1828.
Another "fit" is from Dennis's marriage document, a Catherine Boyle was a witness

If this is correct and it looks good to me I need to search the Whole of Ireland for the pre. 1828 marriage of Bernard and Sarah.


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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 25 December 18 08:01 GMT (UK) »
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If this is correct and it looks good to me I need to search the Whole of Ireland for the pre. 1828 marriage of Bernard and Sarah.

Unfortunately that won't work. Not all church records from that period survive (and of those that do not all are online) or there could be another couple with the same/similar names so you could end up 'finding' the wrong family in the wrong area (unfortunately a problem when both names are very common).

Were any children born in Scotland?
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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 25 December 18 08:21 GMT (UK) »
The 1851 census is the only family record I’ve found and with Dennis the youngest at home at 15 it doesn’t seem likely that any births occurred in the Uk. I have looked for. A Uk Bernard Death in the Uk.
So it looks that I’m at the end of the line at least for the moment.
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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 25 December 18 08:54 GMT (UK) »
Don't give up yet. Next step is to trace siblings of Dennis Boyle to see if they list a more exact place of birth.
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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 03:11 GMT (UK) »
Catherine Boyle - sister of Dennis Boyle

Perhaps Catherine Boyle in 1841 census?
Name   Cathn Boyle
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1841
Gender   Female
Age   10
Birthplace   Ireland
Parish   Barony
County   Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated)   1831

Marriage only as it has Bernard as the father?
Name   Owen Smith
Spouse's Name   Catherine Boyle
Event Date   06 Feb 1854
Event Place   South Leith,Midlothian,Scotland
Spouse's Father's Name   Bernard Boyle

South Leith is in Edinburgh.

I think I would get this marriage certificate if I could to see if there is a more exact place of birth.

Name   Mary Smith
Event Type   Baptism
Event Date   18 Feb 1855
Event Place   South Leith, Midlothian, Scotland, United Kingdom
Father's Name   Owen Smith
Mother's Name   Catherine Boyle

Name   Bernardus Smith
Residence Place   Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Gender   Male
Christening Date   01 Dec 1861
Christening Date (Original)   1 Dec 1861
Christening Place   St. Mary, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, Northumberland, England
Birth Date   18 Nov 1861
Father's Name   Owen Smith
Mother's Name   Catharina Boyle Smith

These two look possibles to be nephew and niece to Dennis Boyle.

There are a number of other births to a couple Owen Smith and Catherine Boyle in Newcastle upon Tyne through the 1870s and into 1883. Not sure about these? 


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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 04:01 GMT (UK) »
Ann Boyle ?????
   
Ann Boyle
New York, New York City Municipal Deaths
Name   Ann Boyle
Event Type   Death
Event Date   10 Mar 1893
Event Place   Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Residence Place   Manhattan, New York City, New Yr., N. Y.
Gender   Female
Age   60
Marital Status   Single
Race   White
Occupation   Housewife
Birth Year (Estimated)   1833
Birthplace   Ireland
Burial Date   11 Mar 1893
Father's Name   Bernard Boyle
Father's Birthplace   Ire.
Mother's Name   Sarah Boyle
Mother's Birthplace   Ire.

I would get the above certificate to see if it had any further detail.  Not sure if Ancestry has details? The try to track her coming to the US. Sometimes the shipping list had more details. 

Arriving in US????
   
Ann Boyle
Massachusetts, Boston Passenger Lists
Name   Ann Boyle
Event Type   Immigration
Event Date   1853
Event Place   Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, United States
Gender   Female
Age   20
Nationality   Ireland
Birth Year (Estimated)   1833
Birth Country   Ireland
Ship Name   John Bunyan
Page   1051

1870 census? person alone
   
Ann Boyle
United States Census, 1870
Name   Ann Boyle
Event Type   Census
Event Year   1870
Event Place   Massachusetts, United States
Gender   Female
Age   37
Race   White
Race   W
Birth Year (Estimated)   1832-1833
Birthplace   Ireland
Page Number   33

New York
Name   Ann Boyle
Event Type   Census
Event Year   1870
Event Place   New York, United States
Gender   Female
Age   38
Birth Year (Estimated)   1831-1832
Birthplace   Ireland
Page Number   1

Blackwells Island is a workhouse.
Name   Ann Boyle
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1860
Event Place   Blackwells Island, New York, New York, United States
Gender   Female
Age   28
Race   White
Birth Year (Estimated)   1832
Birthplace   Ireland
Page   23

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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 07:35 GMT (UK) »
Shanreagh
I hope you get some sleep,you are spending a lot of time looking after me.
Sorry to say I’m not comfortable with the Owen Smith marriage for two reasons. The census repeatedly says Catherine was born in Scotland and her father seems to have been alive. It’s also just occurred to me that at Dennis’s wedding Catherine was listed as a Boyle not a Smith.
I still feel comfortable with th 1851 record showing a widowed Sarah. As I can’t see this family in the 1841 census it does seem likely they came to Scotland after then.
I’m full of cold so Christmas has been put on hold
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Re: Dennis Boyle c 1831, Father Bernard Boyle
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 10:33 GMT (UK) »
Don't worry am in NZ so not working all hours of the day and night.  Just a bit puzzled...perhaps if you let us know  exactly where you are stuck.  You obviously have access to sites that have told you that the 1841 census listing for Catherine is not correct and by implication the mother came after  that time and neither is the marriage, though I did explain the only parameter I used was father's name Bernard.   My thought is that if you found the mother in 1841, you could close the gap to finding when Bernard died.  But if this 1841 Catherine is not hers then please confirm. 

Scotlands People is the go to site for Scotland but I rarely use paid sites.  Ancestry is another one.
Genealogists do circle around a bit verifying and seeing what may be there but if you have seen these records before and have disregarded them then it is good if you let us know. 

Have you checked the BMDs of the siblings of Dennis before?
Where exactly are you stuck (ie death of Bernard)  and what sites have you checked to come to the realisation you are stuck ( eg not on SP or Ancestry, not on census for xxxx)?

Hope you feel better soon and good idea to postpone the tucking in treats of Christmas.