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My parents were second cousins, so my grandfather on my fathers side was the brother of my great grandfather on my mothers side. This has resulted in my tree combining with my greatgrandfather and also my great-greatgrandfather. To top it all the family name of Yuile, has so many John and James listed throughout the centuries. My problem is picking the right James and John Yuil, Yuill as well as Yuile. I have my father and my grandfather Robert Yuile and great grandfather James Yuile details, which give their fathers name as James Yuile born in Glasgow, married to Mary Smith. I have their marraige date, but I am having problems with James Yuile's parents as their are 3 James Yuile's born in 1816/1818, what one do I choose as there is no parents names on their marraige notice.
Brawley, Callan, Crawford, Smith, Clement, lamont, McKinnon, lamont, Anderson, Wallace, Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Yuille.

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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 December 18 17:23 GMT (UK) »
When and where did James Yuile and Mary Smith marry?

Did they die in Scotland?
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23 December 18 06:31 GMT (UK) »
James Yuile Born 22 Sept 1816 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Died 14 Oct 1878
My Great grandfather as well as my great,great grandfather
Married 18 Oct 1845 Ardrossan, Ayrshire
Mary Smith Born 1829 Ardrossan, Ayrshire Died 9 Feb 1900   

Son Robert Yuile Born 27 Sept 1866 Died 6 Feb 1951
My grandfather
Married 31 Aug 1894 Saltcoats, Ayrshire.
Ann (Annie) Callan Born 29 Dec 1866 Died 9 Feb 1963

Son James Yuile Born 23 July 1857 Died 17 July 1890
My great grandfather
Married 13 Dec 1881   
Martha Clements Born 14 Oct 1869 Died 25 Aug 1886

Son of James and Martha Clements
James Yuile 18 June 1882 Died 27 Jan 1925 My Grandfather
Married 27 SEPT 1901 Dreghorn Ayrshire
Mary Wallace Brawley 28 Dec 1828 Died 18 April 1948
Brawley, Callan, Crawford, Smith, Clement, lamont, McKinnon, lamont, Anderson, Wallace, Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Yuille.

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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 December 18 06:35 GMT (UK) »
All my grandparents died in Scotland, it was only my parents who died in South Africa, as they followed me here.
I see you are following Cruickshank, my neighbour is Desmond Kruickshank decendant of William Cruickshank Aberdeen, Scotland.
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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 December 18 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Never 'choose' whom to add to your tree. If there are 3 possibles, you have a 2/3 chance of 'choosing' the wrong one, and there may be others whose baptism records have not survived, in which case you are even more likely to get the wrong one.

Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in a few credits, and use some of them to download the death certificate of James Yuile in 1878. This should tell you the names of James Yuile's parents.

My Cruickshanks are from Moray - they first appear in Rothes in the 1760s and I suspect that they came there from Knockando, where the parish registers were destroyed shortly after that when the kirk went on fire. None of the direct male line descendants I have traced was in Aberdeen, but there are one or two whom I have been unable to find and who might have ended up in Aberdeen.
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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 December 18 10:02 GMT (UK) »
Noting from the 1851 census that James was 34, a weaver, born Glasgow, I wonder if this is his family in 1841 at Elba, Barony Parish (Glasgow)
James Yule, 55; Robert Yule, 25; Dorothea Yule, 25; James Yule, 20; William Yule, 15; Thomas Yule, 15. All the males are cotton hand loom weavers and Dorothea is a cotton yarn winder, and all were born in Lanarkshire. Adults' ages in the 1841 census were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so James could have been any age from 20 to 24, which fits with his age in 1851 and later censuses.

If this is him, and James Yule aged 55 is his father, then his baptism record has not survived - there are four James Yu(i)les baptised in Glasgow in 1816/1817, none of whose fathers' given names was James.

I see that one James Yuile was baptised on 22 September 1817 (not 1816) and that his parents were William Yuile and Janet Crawford. According to the 1851 census this James Yuille was a tobacco spinner, unmarried, living with his widowed mother and siblings including Rebecca and Sarah, both very uncommon names at that time, in Glasgow. So he cannot be your James Yuile.

Where did you get the birth date of 22 September 1816 for your James Yuile?

In 1851, he's in the parish of Ardrossan: James, 34; Mary, 22; Mary, 2; William, 0.

In 1861, Ardrossan: James, 45; Mary, 12; William, 10; John, 8; David, 6; James, 3; Jane,1.

In 1871, Ardrossan: James, 55; Mary, 42; William, 20; John, 18; David, 16; James, 13; Catherine, 10; Agnes, 7; Robert, 5; Jessie, 2.

You can view the originals of all these censuses at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk using the credits you have left over after viewing James' death certificate.

I think Dorothy Yuille, who died in 1880, may be the Dorothea in the 1841 census.
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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 December 18 10:22 GMT (UK) »
Another 34-year-old James Yuile, born Glasgow, is a letter carrier in Hemel Hempstead in 1851, with wife Mary McKechnie and four of a family. This couple were married in Edinburgh in 1839, and I can't think of any way to prove who his parents were.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 December 18 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, I should have said 22 Sept 1818.
James Yuille in the Scotland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
Name:   James Yuille
Gender:   Male
Birth Date:   22 Sep 1818
Birth Place:   Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Father:   John Yuille
Mother:   Mary Burns
FHL Film Number:   0102924-25, 0102916, 1041382, 1042935, 1042937
John Yuille  April 1798 Son of
James Yuil 1758 married to Agnes Morrison Married 6 Aug 1797 Kippen
James Yuil 1739 Married to Isobel McFarlane Married 29 June 1762 Kippen
John Yuil 1720 Married to Janet McIndowie Married 29 July 1758
John Yuil 1690 Married to Mary Ferguson ??? about 1718 as I cannot find anything on Scotland people where I found the others. So I cannot trace a marraige I am stuck on John Yuil and Mary Fergusson.

I have spent a fortune on records tracing my ancestors, as I said before the different Yuil, Yuill, Yuile have really bamboozled me. I even have copies of Estel Pryors books of the Yuil, Yuill and where they now live throughout the world and all the spellings of the Yule name.
I actually contacted her as she had some of my ancestors wrong, as I have copies of their details from Scotlands people.
I hope to go over in 2019 to Scotland to do some research in Edinburgh, as I have sons now living in England.

Brawley, Callan, Crawford, Smith, Clement, lamont, McKinnon, lamont, Anderson, Wallace, Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Yuille.

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Re: Yuil, Yuill, Yuile, Spelling of a surname proves difficult in finding ancestors
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 December 18 10:51 GMT (UK) »
I hope that you have independent evidence (that is, information from a source other than baptisms and banns from the Old Parish Registers) to back up each of these generations in turn.

In particular, I see that in every generation but one the age gap between father and son is 20 years or fewer. It was unusual for a young man to marry before the age of 20. He had to establish himself in the world to be able to support a wife and family before he married. Most young men married in their mid to late 20s.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith