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Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« on: Sunday 23 December 18 08:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi all!

I am incredibly new to Italian research, in fact I'm so new I have no idea where to begin!
One of my direct ancestors, William Lombardini, was (according to the UK 1841 Census) born in Italy. His age (35) at the time of the 1841 Census gives him an approx. birth date of 1806.
Funnily enough, his sibling, John-Baptiste Lombardini, was noted as being born in Switzerland at the time of the 1851 Census.
John-Baptiste and William are approximately 10 years apart in age and live in Huddersfield, England.
William marries a woman named Fanny Piercy in 1843 and John-Baptiste marries a woman named Mary Sutcliffe in 1836.

Both William and John are listed in UK and county directories through the years, as Carvers and Gilders.

I have two possible names of their father floating around in my head, one is Bermarita (told to me by another family member, but I have no proof) and a Bernardo Camillo Lombardini (however I cannot find the evidence I had for this name- it was a newspaper article saying that the brother's business had either gone downhill or closed due to the death of their father).

William died in 1869 in Yorkshire, England. John-Baptiste died in 1856 in Yorkshire, England.

What I'd love to find, is mention/evidence of William and John-Baptiste's father and mother, and possibly roots in Switzerland and Italy as well. As you see, I don't have much to go on, so any help is absolutely appreciated!

Thanks for reading, and seasons greetings!
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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 December 18 09:04 GMT (UK) »
While waiting for some experts to see your post.......this site might give you some ideas:

https://anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/

William's marriage certificate should show the name and occupation of his father.


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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23 December 18 09:16 GMT (UK) »
While waiting for some experts to see your post.......this site might give you some ideas:

https://anglo-italianfhs.org.uk/

William's marriage certificate should show the name and occupation of his father.


Happy Christmas!

Thanks Nanny Jan!

Just ordered Will's marriage cert, hopefully that gives me some more info.

Merry Christmas to you too!
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 December 18 09:34 GMT (UK) »
Dissolution of partnership between John Baptiste and Bernardo Camilo

Iíve just copied straight from the ocr, not my typos!

John Baptist Lomtiardini and Bernardo Caniillo Lombardini, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, carvers, gilders, and printsellers.

24 December 1825 - Birmingham Journal - Birmingham, Warwickshire
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and family of Thomas ANDERSON a Tailor of Perth, Scotland

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 December 18 09:46 GMT (UK) »
Dissolution of partnership between John Baptiste and Bernardo Camilo

Iíve just copied straight from the ocr, not my typos!

John Baptist Lomtiardini and Bernardo Caniillo Lombardini, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, carvers, gilders, and printsellers.

24 December 1825 - Birmingham Journal - Birmingham, Warwickshire

That's the one! Does it mention a relationship between the two as father-son?
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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 December 18 10:15 GMT (UK) »
Dissolution of partnership between John Baptiste and Bernardo Camilo

Iíve just copied straight from the ocr, not my typos!

John Baptist Lomtiardini and Bernardo Caniillo Lombardini, Huddersfield, Yorkshire, carvers, gilders, and printsellers.

24 December 1825 - Birmingham Journal - Birmingham, Warwickshire

That's the one! Does it mention a relationship between the two as father-son?

No, it just says what Iíve put, even in the piece itself.


In 1848 William is bankrupted.  Iíve not read every bit, but I donít see any mention  Thereís also some courtcase around about then that JB makes sure no one thinks is him.

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 December 18 10:19 GMT (UK) »
J & B Lombardiís Opticians are in Huddersfield as early as 1821

10 November 1821 - Sheffield Independent -
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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 December 18 10:22 GMT (UK) »
How do you know JB and W were brothers?

I ask because I am not getting the impression, just from reading  the newspapers, which obviously donít tell the full story , they Ever were in business together. 

Added, JB denying any connection  (just the OCR again)


 Mr. Lombardini carver and gilder, Market place, to state that be is not the Mr Lombardini mentioned in our report ofthe above case last week, as having made an assignment in 1848. We under- stand that the gentleman referred to was Mr. W. Lombardini. H

08 November 1851 - Huddersfield Chronicle - Huddersfield, Yorkshire,

1856 JB had died and Maryís Lombardi is running the business and now She is insolvent.
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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 December 18 10:51 GMT (UK) »
How do you know JB and W were brothers?

I ask because I am not getting the impression, just from reading  the newspapers, which obviously donít tell the full story , they Ever were in business together. 

Added, JB denying any connection  (just the OCR again)


 Mr. Lombardini carver and gilder, Market place, to state that be is not the Mr Lombardini mentioned in our report ofthe above case last week, as having made an assignment in 1848. We under- stand that the gentleman referred to was Mr. W. Lombardini. H

08 November 1851 - Huddersfield Chronicle - Huddersfield, Yorkshire,

1856 JB had died and Maryís Lombardi is running the business and now She is insolvent.

In the 1841 Census, John and William were living together, so thatís where I made that assumption.

This is the info it gives on the actual census:
John Lombardini (age 45) Carver and Gilder
wife Mary Lombardini
William Lombardini (age 35)
Maria, Agnes and Hannah as children (I imagine John and Maryís)

This was all in one household and both Lombardini boys were noted as being born in Italy.

Also, there is a scathing article concerning a Fanny Lombardini (Williamís daughter), penned by Mary (wife of John-Baptiste) that says ďshe is not part of my familyĒ. I took that as to mean she was disowning her but I see it also can literally be interpreted as Fanny not being part of her family.
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