Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry

[EBrand]

Actually, on rereading the article, I now read it as that Mary is trying to say that Fanny really ISN’T a part of their family and thus neither is William.
You’re right.
It doesn’t explain though why William, with the same surname, is living with them in Huddersfield in 1841.
I know for sure that my direct ancestor William was living in Huddersfield at the time his daughter Fanny was born- 1845- (I have her birth cert in my files somewhere and it is registered in Huddersfield district and states his name and occ. as Carver and Gilder).

[dathai]

have you tried Steve62 a very helpful fellow
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705763.0

[EBrand]

have you tried Steve62 a very helpful fellow
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705763.0

I havent! Thank you for that!

I'll wait until I get William's marriage cert (with hopefully a father's name) and then I will send him a message!

[EBrand]

Hi all,

I've just received William Lombardini's marriage cert for the 4th of May 1843. It lists his occupation as 'carver and gilder', a residence at Bath Buildings, Huddersfield (same location as John Baptiste Lombardini) and a fathers name as Bermarita (Bermarito?) Lombardini. There is no occupation listed for the father, just that he was deceased.

[mckha489]

Thank you for updating us.
Enquiring minds ALWAYS want to know lol 


Are you thinking Bermarita and Bernardo Camillo are different men?

[EBrand]

Thank you for updating us.
Enquiring minds ALWAYS want to know lol 


Are you thinking Bermarita and Bernardo Camillo are different men?

That's what I'm leaning towards, yes.

I think in one of your replies you said "How do you know JB and W were brothers?
I ask because I am not getting the impression, just from reading  the newspapers, which obviously don’t tell the full story , they Ever were in business together."

I think because Bernardo Camillo was in business with John-Baptiste, and we're leaning towards the conclusion that JB and William were not brothers, therefore Bernardo wouldn't be the father of William.

[mckha489]

I suppose the three could be any combination of brothers or cousins.

I saw your other posting. Will follow it.

[EBrand]

Hi all again,

I think I've changed my mind.

I'm now beginning to think that John-Baptiste and William were in fact brothers. My reasoning is this.
I have William's marriage cert- the one piece of info I know to be him. It lists an occupation as 'carver and gilder', a residence in Bath Buildings (1843), Huddersfield and a deceased father with a name starting with B. I've had several people transcribe it as Bermarita, Bernardito, Bernardo and a few have said the least likely name is Bermarita.
So, going on the possibility the name is Bernardito/Bernardo.
A William Lombardini (birthplace Italy) is in the same residence (not just building) as a John Lombardini (b. Italy) and a wife named Mary and 3 daughters. This is confirmed to be John-Baptiste later as the wife and daughters names are the same.
There also is no other record for a William Lombardini in that area.

So, why would William and John-Baptiste be living together, if they weren't family?

Both William and John-Baptiste were carvers and gilders, however I haven't found record of them working together. John-Baptiste, did in fact work with a Bernardo Camillo Lombardini. Perhaps he is the father, due to the similarity of the names. The partnership of John-Baptiste and B.C Lombardini was dissolved in 1825 according to the Birmingham journal, perhaps after B.C's death?

William goes bankrupt in 1848 and his daughter is supposedly a loose woman, of which his sister-in-law Mary wants nothing to do with her.

Perhaps after the father died, the two brothers were driven apart?

EB