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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 23 December 18 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Actually, on rereading the article, I now read it as that Mary is trying to say that Fanny really ISNíT a part of their family and thus neither is William.
Youíre right.
It doesnít explain though why William, with the same surname, is living with them in Huddersfield in 1841.
I know for sure that my direct ancestor William was living in Huddersfield at the time his daughter Fanny was born- 1845- (I have her birth cert in my files somewhere and it is registered in Huddersfield district and states his name and occ. as Carver and Gilder).
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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 23 December 18 13:12 GMT (UK) »
have you tried Steve62 a very helpful fellow
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705763.0

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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #11 on: Monday 24 December 18 03:01 GMT (UK) »
have you tried Steve62 a very helpful fellow
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=705763.0

I havent! Thank you for that!

I'll wait until I get William's marriage cert (with hopefully a father's name) and then I will send him a message!

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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 05:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I've just received William Lombardini's marriage cert for the 4th of May 1843. It lists his occupation as 'carver and gilder', a residence at Bath Buildings, Huddersfield (same location as John Baptiste Lombardini) and a fathers name as Bermarita (Bermarito?) Lombardini. There is no occupation listed for the father, just that he was deceased.
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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 06:25 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for updating us.
Enquiring minds ALWAYS want to know lol  :)


Are you thinking Bermarita and Bernardo Camillo are different men?



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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 06:59 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for updating us.
Enquiring minds ALWAYS want to know lol  :)


Are you thinking Bermarita and Bernardo Camillo are different men?

That's what I'm leaning towards, yes.

I think in one of your replies you said "How do you know JB and W were brothers?
I ask because I am not getting the impression, just from reading  the newspapers, which obviously donít tell the full story , they Ever were in business together."

I think because Bernardo Camillo was in business with John-Baptiste, and we're leaning towards the conclusion that JB and William were not brothers, therefore Bernardo wouldn't be the father of William.
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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 05 February 19 07:23 GMT (UK) »
I suppose the three could be any combination of brothers or cousins.

I saw your other posting. Will follow it.
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Re: Help Needed ITALIAN Ancestry
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 07 February 19 05:32 GMT (UK) »
Hi all again,

I think I've changed my mind.

I'm now beginning to think that John-Baptiste and William were in fact brothers. My reasoning is this.
I have William's marriage cert- the one piece of info I know to be him. It lists an occupation as 'carver and gilder', a residence in Bath Buildings (1843), Huddersfield and a deceased father with a name starting with B. I've had several people transcribe it as Bermarita, Bernardito, Bernardo and a few have said the least likely name is Bermarita.
So, going on the possibility the name is Bernardito/Bernardo.
A William Lombardini (birthplace Italy) is in the same residence (not just building) as a John Lombardini (b. Italy) and a wife named Mary and 3 daughters. This is confirmed to be John-Baptiste later as the wife and daughters names are the same.
There also is no other record for a William Lombardini in that area.

So, why would William and John-Baptiste be living together, if they weren't family?

Both William and John-Baptiste were carvers and gilders, however I haven't found record of them working together. John-Baptiste, did in fact work with a Bernardo Camillo Lombardini. Perhaps he is the father, due to the similarity of the names. The partnership of John-Baptiste and B.C Lombardini was dissolved in 1825 according to the Birmingham journal, perhaps after B.C's death?

William goes bankrupt in 1848 and his daughter is supposedly a loose woman, of which his sister-in-law Mary wants nothing to do with her.

Perhaps after the father died, the two brothers were driven apart?

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