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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 10:46 GMT (UK) »
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Was Harriet a boarder of the Greenfield family?

No, as I said, she and Gertrude are a separate household.
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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 10:54 GMT (UK) »
H F Greenfield was a songwriter in his spare time. Some of his songs became quite popular in Edwardian times.

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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 11:00 GMT (UK) »
Here’s the parallel thread:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804845.0

The Stanhope St address, as has been pointed out, was not a single family home (far from it) but occupied as tenements.  I think most if not all of the old houses there were demolished in the 20th century.  Harriet may have found a way to pay her own rent for her room(s), or she may have had it paid for by the man or men who fathered her children.  “Sigmun” Murray, the mercantile traveller in jewellery who fathered daughter Eva b 1891, may have been a short-term or long-term fixture in her life, but there isn’t yet any evidence that they all lived together as a family.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 11:13 GMT (UK) »
Here’s the parallel thread:

www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=804845.0

The Stanhope St address, as has been pointed out, was not a single family home (far from it) but occupied as tenements.  I think most if not all of the old houses there were demolished in the 20th century.  Harriet may have found a way to pay her own rent for her room(s), or she may have had it paid for by the man or men who fathered her children.  “Sigmun” Murray, the mercantile traveller in jewellery who fathered daughter Eva in 1890, may have been a short-term or long-term fixture in her life, but there isn’t yet any evidence that they all lived together as a family.
Quite right, and that's what I say to the descendants who tell this story : Sigmun DANIELS, "bought" an identity and became Henry Murrey or Murray. Though he is said to be a carpenter on the 1895 birth certificate he worked in the diamond business and may be died in Singapore.At first I did not believe  at all in this Sigmun(d) until we found the 1891 birth certificate with a Sigmun Murray as the father.I asked the descendants to gather any bit of data concerning all this and I am waiting for their answer.
I also searched the Singapore press , with the link given on the thread but found nothing .
I agree that there may have been different fathers for Harriett's children.


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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 11:17 GMT (UK) »
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Henry was a different person from “Sigmun”, but Harriet just continued to use the Murray name for convenience.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 13:09 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked at the 1891 census page for 106 Stanhope Street? There are 7 separate households, of which Harriet and daughter Gertrude are one.
Is it possible to have the names of all the persons living 106 Stanhope Street in 1891?

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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 27 December 18 06:45 GMT (UK) »
Other than Harriet Murray & daughter, the occupants of 106 Stanhope Street in the 1891 census were:

Mary Ann Brown & daughter
Thomas Smith
Ignau Deutsch & family    
James Clarke & wife       
Henry Kempton & wife 
Sarah A Watts & son Edward
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Re: Electoral roll look-up please , Pancras and Camden Town
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 27 December 18 08:24 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much ShaunJ ;)