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Problems with will of 1755
« on: Wednesday 26 December 18 13:33 GMT (UK) »
I am having a problem reading some words in a 1755 will. There are three section and I will post three snippets in turn.

The following is my take on the following first snippet:

1   next after my decease also I give and bequeath unto
2   my said daughter Frances that Bed Bolster Blanketts
3   Curtains Valences and xxxxxx and all thereunto belonging
4   which she useth to lye upon and also three pair of
5   Sheets to be in goodness and value according as my
6   Sheets shall arise and also that chest of drawers which
7   now standeth in that chamber where she useth to lye

I read the missing word in line 3 as “Steadle” but that does not seem to make sense.


Clark, Clarke, Batchelor, Diamond, Ruddick,
Yorkshire: Oaks, Denton, Sykes

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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 13:34 GMT (UK) »
My second problem is with line 8 in the following snippet. My take is:

1   Charging or demanding any money or other consideration
2   of her for her Board Clothing Education and Keeping
3   and if they cannot agree or my Executor hereafter named
4   should marry and a dislike happen on either side before
5   or after his Marriage or by his death or any otherwise
6   howsoever then and in such case my Will Mind and
7   Desire is that they should part by and at the approbation
8   and discretion of my said Will Richard Gibbons Ann
9   his now wife and my Daughter Frances or the survivor
10   or survivors of them or their assigns and after such
11   Parting (if any be) that he my Executor hereafter named
12   his heirs Executors or Administrators shall allow and

What is the sense of line 8 where “Will” immediately precedes “Richard”
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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 13:35 GMT (UK) »
My third problem is with line 3 of the following snippet. My take is:

1   Executor of this my last will and Testament strictly charging
2   and requiring him to be kind to his sisters and more
3   Particular to his xxxx xxxx and I do hereby
4   revoke and make void all former Wills by me formerly

In line 3 I think I read Motherless xxxx but this not seem to make sense, if only because the “him” was not married at the time the will was drawn.
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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 13:52 GMT (UK) »
Image 1:  I agree that the word is Steadle.  Someone may be able to shed light on the meaning.

Image 3:  ...Motherless Neice...

ADDED:

Regarding your question about Image 2, I am assuming he is talking about the parting of two people rather than a parting in the sense of a division of assets.

I think he means that whatever conditions are set down in his Will are to be imposed first; and if any further decisions must be taken, then he relies on the judgement of Richard, Ann and ffrances to make those decisions.

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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 13:55 GMT (UK) »
A very minor point, in the first snip, the second word in line three is valance not valances.
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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 14:00 GMT (UK) »
First extract:
3   Curtains Valences and xxxxxx and all thereunto belonging

I read the missing word in line 3 as “Steadle” but that does not seem to make sense.

It's fine - a variant of staddle, meaning any kind of stand. In SE England it can specifically mean bedstead. See Joseph Wright's Dialect Dictionary - entry for staddle, definition no.8 (with examples noted from Kent, Surrey and Isle of Wight):

https://archive.org/details/cu31924088038421/page/n727

My second problem is with line 8 in the following snippet. My take is:

8   and discretion of my said Will Richard Gibbons Ann

What is the sense of line 8 where “Will” immediately precedes “Richard”

That's a bit tricky. On the face of it there might be a copying error, and it should really be something like "the said Richard..." or "the said overseers(?) of this my will..." but we really need some more context on this one.

Please could you post the whole of the sentence/clause that this is taken from? And has Richard Gibbons been mentioned before, and if so, how is he described?

And I agree with Horsleydown on Motherless Neice (ie Niece).
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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Arthurk,

Richard Gibbons is identified twice before, qualifying Ann as being married to him.

These are the precedeing 9 lines and the whole of the text that completes the instruction:

1   and my Mind and Will
2   is that my executor hereafter named his heirs executors
3   or administrators they or one of them shall maintain
4   educate and bring up my said granddaughter Sarah
5   Wood until she shall attain unto the full age of eighteen
6   years or shall be by my said son Richard Gibbons and
7   Ann his now wife and Frances my said daughter or the
8   Survivor or survivors of them or their assigns adjudged
9   Capable for service act and do for herself without

0   Charging or demanding any money or other consideration
1   of her for her Board Clothing Education and Keeping
2   and if they cannot agree or my Executor hereafter named
3   should marry and a dislike happen on either side before
4   or after his Marriage or by his death or any otherwise
5   howsoever then and in such case my Will Mind and
6   Desire is that they should part by and at the approbation
7   and discretion of my said Will Richard Gibbons Ann
8   his now wife and my Daughter Frances or the survivor
9   or survivors of them or their assigns and after such
10   Parting (if any be) that he my Executor hereafter named
11   his heirs Executors or Administrators shall allow and
51   pay to her my said Grandaughter Sarah Wood five
52   Shillings Weekly and every week toward her mainten-
12   ance until she shall attain to the age aforesaid or be
13   thought fit to do for herself by the persons aforesaid and
14   I do hereby desire and strictly charge deputise appoint
15   and require my said son Richard Gibbons and Ann his now
16   Wife and my Daughter Frances and the survivor or
17   Survivors of them or their assigns to be over lookers
18   and to see this part of my Will rightly and duly performed
19   according to the true intent and meaning of the same
20   and further my Will and Desire is that

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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 14:58 GMT (UK) »

4                                                and also three pair of
5   Sheets to be in goodness and value according as my
6   Sheets shall arise


Can anyone explain what is meant by "Sheets shall arise" in Snippet 1
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Re: Problems with will of 1755
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 26 December 18 15:11 GMT (UK) »

4                                                and also three pair of
5   Sheets to be in goodness and value according as my
6   Sheets shall arise


Can anyone explain what is meant by "Sheets shall arise" in Snippet 1

Often in old wills they would specify "the best pair of sheets", "the second best pair of sheets" and so on.

What he means by in Goodness and value according as my Sheets shall arise is that in this case the three pairs given to ffrances are to be given as they come, without such consideration or ordering.