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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 30 December 18 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Have you tried crematoriums,as by the mid 1950's cremations were becoming more and more popular.
Yes, Ive tried crems. Thanks
Its weird but I have the same problem but in the Birmingham area.  I have death certificates for my grandparents and know their last addresses but cannot find their graves anywhere.

Have tried multiple online sites and also contacted the local council who confirmed that they have no records of a burial either.

No idea where to go next as we know where they died, where they loved, where their family lived etc and know they werent buried out of area.  Its so frustrating!

You have my sincere condolences for the plight you are in. Mine has lasted some 6-7 years.

David
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 30 December 18 11:35 GMT (UK) »
It is not impossible for a person to bury ashes in an existing family grave without the Church (and maybe the Cemetery) knowing about it.  By doing that, the fee normally payable is avoided!  (I am aware that this has actually happened!)

Yes, I've come across this myself. But surely the cremation would still be recorded regardless of what happened to the ashes ?
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 30 December 18 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought.....

If she was placed in a pauper's grave, would the burial still be recorded?
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 30 December 18 12:04 GMT (UK) »
You are right of course.  The Crematorium would have recorded details of the cremation.


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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 30 December 18 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought.....

If she was placed in a pauper's grave, would the burial still be recorded?

Yes.
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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 30 December 18 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Pretty sure the local authority should still hold the records for the crematorium.

In my own case they have no record of my grandparents which is really odd (especially as my dad remembers going to the funeral) but I know given the date its worth considering.

My 2nd cousin who lives in NZ spent years trying to find 3 graves for her family in the mid 1950's.
They died in Wembley. I finally rang the local crematorium and found all 3 there.
And yet the local council had not been able to find them each time she'd emailed.
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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 30 December 18 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately you can never rule out simple human error, where the vicar/clerk forgot to make the entry in the register.

There's a known example of that in my local churchyard, where there's a grave and headstone, and people who remember the funeral taking place, but the burial isn't in the register.  This came to light when someone was recording the MIs and making a plan of the graves, but there could easily be others in earlier unmarked graves that went unrecorded.
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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 30 December 18 12:54 GMT (UK) »
Just a thought.....

If she was placed in a pauper's grave, would the burial still be recorded?

Yes.

Thank you. I was hoping they would.
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Recording of burials
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 30 December 18 12:57 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately you can never rule out simple human error, where the vicar/clerk forgot to make the entry in the register.

There's a known example of that in my local churchyard, where there's a grave and headstone, and people who remember the funeral taking place, but the burial isn't in the register.  This came to light when someone was recording the MIs and making a plan of the graves, but there could easily be others in earlier unmarked graves that went unrecorded.

Unfortunately that is a possibility, ever increasing in it's likelyhood.
Either that or her son just got rid of her somewhere.
I hope its not the latter.
Thanks.
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.