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Linking two Thomases
« on: Sunday 30 December 18 12:24 GMT (UK) »
My 3rd great grandfather was Thomas Chasmer.  My query is to find his DOB, place of birth or parents’ names.

He lived his adult life in the Bermondsey area.  He married Ann Robertson, a widow born Willis, on 3dec1810 at St James, Paddington.  Ann was born on 11feb1776 in Bermondsey.
Thomas died on 16oct1834 and was buried on 26oct1834 at St John Horsleydown Bermondsey.  The death certificate gives his age as 55.  So if this info is accurate he was born between 16oct1779 – 15oct1780.
Thomas and Ann had four children but none of their birth or marriage info gives any guide as to Thomas’s birth details including Sarah Ann’s which was registered at the Protestant Dissenters' Registry.
Thomas was convicted of larceny and amongst the court documents is one dated 5oct1821 which gives Thomas’s age as 41.  If this is accurate then his birth dated was between 5oct1780 – 4oct1781.
So from the calculations from the death certificate and larceny document there is a DOB between 5oct1780 – 15oct1780.
There is little evidence of Chasmers in Bermondsey before the 19c.

However, there is a large group of families in and around the Benenden and Tenterden areas of Kent from the 1500s onwards.  The name CHASMER is often recorder as CHASMAR and other variations.

There is a Thomas CHASMER the son of Thomas Chasmer and Ann Primer who was baptised on the 11may1781 in Benenden.  I can find no other life information on this Thomas (his DOB, marriage, death etc).  So he could have been born in the window of dates I have for the Thomas in Bermondsey.  In both cases there is no mention of another Christian name.

Thomas of Kent has siblings but Catherine was the one born before him having been christened on 11feb1780.  Catherine was buried on the 19feb1780 so it is possible that the birth was shortly before the christening.  So this does not discount Thomas being born between 5oct1780 – 15oct1780 although the dates are tight.

So back to my query.  Can anyone help finding info to link these two Thomases or to find birth information on the Thomas of Bermondsey.

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Re: Linking two Thomases
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 30 December 18 20:09 GMT (UK) »
A couple of ideas.

Have you got an occupation for your Thomas in Bermonsey and for the father of the one in Kent?


Have you looked for wills for the Chasmers in Kent which might mention a Thomas now living in Bermondsey?
I see there is a will in the PCC (Prerogative court of Canterbury) for a Thomas Chesmer in 1805 from Minister Isle of Sheppey Kent, which I see is some 30 miles from Beneden, but may be worth a look.
It should be on Ancestry. I saw it mentioned on the site londonlives https://www.londonlives.org/formPersName.jsp
which might also be worth a look if you haven't seen it.
There may well be other wills for 'Chasmer' (ripe for a lot of variations of spelling!) either at the PCC or local Kent wills. I see findmypast has Kent wills and probate indexes but I haven't looked.

Good luck!
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Re: Linking two Thomases
« Reply #2 on: Monday 31 December 18 07:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the reply and your interest.

Thomas in Bermondsey was a shoemaker with the earliest mention of this occupation being 1811.  Bermondsey being a centre of the leather trade.  I have only one entry for the occupation of the Thomas in Kent when he was described as a labourer in 1776.

Thanks for the tip about the wills and I will certainly pursue this line of enquiry.