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William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« on: Monday 31 December 18 08:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I have researched my Wiss family, and all that I need to know, I already have to hand.
Was recently contacted by a Wiss family name living in Tasmania, Australia.
She is looking for the birth of William Robert Charles Wiss.  He may have been born in England or Germany.  I found the English Marriage of William Robert Charles Wiss and Marianne Ainger in Dec. 1860. Marylebone vol 1a page 633.

I can't seem to find anything further back on either of these people.  Forward...I know that Marianne died in Australia in 1906.  She had three sons...who were all born in Germany. Alfred, Lionel and Campbell (or Mervyn Campbell).  She and her sons came to Australia.

As for William Robert Charles...could anyone tell me who his parents were.
If he perhaps died in England sometime before the sons moved to Australia. e.g. before 1906

His father I believe, was a linguist and Professor and lived in Germany, but was married to an English Girl. He too may have been born in Germany, but surely there was an original Wiss Grandfather in the UK somewhere.   There is a thought that the Grandfather's name may have been James Wiss.

I had no luck with the early census dates up to 1861... I will keep looking, Departures/arrivals by ship for either Australia  for Marianne and her three sons, or for her and her husband going to and from Germany.

Anyone out there with some idea?

Thanks,
Lucygrasshopper.

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #1 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:12 GMT (UK) »
I know that Marianne died in Australia in 1906.

I cannot see any evidence of her death.  Campbell's daughter Marianne Ainger WISS died in 1906 aged 15 months, perhaps you are confusing the two?

Lionel and Campbell married in Queensland.

https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/queryEntry.m?type=marriages

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #2 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:24 GMT (UK) »
I found the English Marriage of William Robert Charles Wiss and Marianne Ainger in Dec. 1860. Marylebone vol 1a page 633.

The marriage shows that William was a Lector at the University of Heidelberg and I think the added MA and Dr. of Philosophy would probably refer to him, not his wife.  His father is named as James who was also an MA and Dr. of Philosophy.  Her father is Alfred, an Architect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lector

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #3 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Possibly relevant?

St Jamesí Gazette, 21 August 1884

[Marriages]

NEATE-WISS

At Stuttgart, Wurtemburg, Mr Percy J Neate, of Rochester, Kent, son of Mr John Neate, of Belsize Park, Hampstead, to Mabel, daughter of Dr William Wiss, of Stuttgart, Aug 19.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #4 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Alfred and family in 1851:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGND-RZ6

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #5 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:38 GMT (UK) »

Search National Archives of Australia website...finds Campbell WISS registered alien WW1 b. Heidelberg with explanation for his German accent and information about his, and parents, origins

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #6 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:40 GMT (UK) »
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St Jamesí Gazette, 21 August 1884

[Marriages]

NEATE-WISS

At Stuttgart, Wurtemburg, Mr Percy J Neate, of Rochester, Kent, son of Mr John Neate, of Belsize Park, Hampstead, to Mabel, daughter of Dr William Wiss, of Stuttgart, Aug 19.

1891 census for this couple:

Newton Terrace, New Rd, Rochester, Kent: RG12/657/120/25

Percy J Neate Head Mar 32 Consulting & manufacturing engineers London St Johnís Wood
Mabel Neate Wife Mar 29 Germany British Subject <<<
Phyllis Neate Adopted daughter 9mo London Hammersmith

[+ 3 servants]
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #7 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:41 GMT (UK) »
Arrival QLD. No mama:

Chyebassa   1885-06-03
WISS Alfred 20   
WISSE Campbell 21   
WISSE Lionel 19

Did they have a relative here?: WISSE Siegfried 24 Eugenie 1873-10-30

Deaths:

1932 C503 Lionel Ainger Wiss parents William Robert Charles and Marianne Ainger
1957 B18787 Maria Elsie Wiss parentís Nils Hans Wiuff and Maria Elizabeth Lindberg   

Marriages:

?1883 C632 Alfred Wise to Ellen Kirkham

1890 C1095 Lionel Ainger Wiss to Maria Elise Wiuff

1902 C840 Campbell Wiss to Alice Maud Dau

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Re: William Wiss,Marianne Ainger surnames
« Reply #8 on: Monday 31 December 18 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Record of Aliens    Campbell WISS, Lindisfarne...

...This man stated that his grandfather was Scottish, married to an English woman, and lives in Germany where Wiss's father was born.

....The latter married an Englishwoman who was a fluent German linguist, returned to Germany, and sometime later Campbell WISS was born.

.....He states that he was brought up to speak the German language solely, which accounts for his foreign accent.

.....Has a brother in Queensland