Mabel B / Josey,
Many thanks for the info / help in trying to help,
I have ALFRED WENTZELL b 1856 / 1861, 1871, 1891 but no 1881, His son HARRY was born Lewes, Sussex 1882.( I have his b.c. ) This is the only record of my family in Sussex.I have ALFRED WENTZELL'S birth details of being born in Wirral Cheshire. Father entered is a JAMES WENTZELL.
HARRY WENTZELL b 1854 ? His brother, I have his census of 1861, 1871 and 1881. 1881 is his last English Census. He leaves England and start' s another family in America. A bigamous marriage, never to return. Leaves behind wife and children. These written census record's all have him born in Liverpool. His wife, she marry's bigamously as well.
Have not been able to find his record of birth in 1854. His American obituary has a date of 25 th October 1854. The census, and word of mouth? are the only records that have 1854 and there Mother in the Liverpool area at that time. Their Mother, CHARLOTTE SADLER, it seem's was unmarried when she had the two boys, but it's always been an understanding that a JAMES WENTZELL was both of the boy's father's.
The censuses never ever show a JAMES WENTZELL only the Mother CHARLOTTE SADLER b Camberwell 1836? The 1871 census is the only census that has an elder male in residence with CHARLOTTE and the two boys. He is not a JAMES WENTZELL but ALBERT GOTTLEIB WENTZELL who was born 1839. His father was also a JAMES WENTZELL.
Marriage Banns have been found for the year of 1859,Poplar area, for ALBERT WENTZELL and CHARLOTTE SADLER but they do not marry until 1871. Which seems a strange thing
ALBERT GOTTLEIB WENTZELL b1839 has an elder brother JAMES THOMAS WENTZELL b 1837. He enlists for a Army career 1857 to 1878. 20 years in INDIA, returns and marries a SARAH WILSON
I would like to know if it's possible to search HARRY's birth by his Mother's maiden name only. Whatether the bastardy records of 1854 , Liverpool would be worth looking into, and where these records are accessible. Any help much appreciated.
Regards JUST J