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Re: Help with handwriting documents (Feu charter & Sasine) pages 4 to 6
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Presumably because it's not an original document but a copy, made as the official record for entering in the Register.

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Re: Help with handwriting documents (Feu charter & Sasine) pages 4 to 6
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 13:52 GMT (UK) »
Presumably because it's not an original document but a copy, made as the official record for entering in the Register.
I understand! I found that George Murdoch in 1838 conveyed one of the properties to Margaret Alexander. I have that sasine too. My question is: is a Sasine and a Feu Charter the same? With this other disposition in favor of Margaret Alexader, did George sell that ground?

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Re: Help with handwriting documents (Feu charter & Sasine) pages 4 to 6
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 14:06 GMT (UK) »
My question is: is a Sasine and a Feu Charter the same?

I would prefer to leave that answer to someone more expert in Scottish conveyancing at this date, sorry.

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Re: Help with handwriting documents (Feu charter & Sasine) pages 4 to 6
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 20:39 GMT (UK) »

My question is: is a Sasine and a Feu Charter the same?


I am no expert in Scottish land law either.

These sites may help
https://www.designingbuildings.co.uk/wiki/Feu_charter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasine
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Help with handwriting documents (Feu charter & Sasine) pages 4 to 6
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 08 January 19 21:15 GMT (UK) »
A feu charter is the document constituting a new feu. It would include reference to the feu duty to be paid annually.

Sasine is the act of giving possession of a feudal property. Until 1845 it involved the handing over of earth and stones on the property itself.

A feu charter would be drawn up. Then a precept of sasine would be drawn up - the mandate by which the superior authorised his agent to give possession. The person receiving the property would take the precept of sasine to the property along with the agent or bailie, a notary public and witnesses. The notary would read out the precept (translating any Latin into English), the bailie would give possession on behalf of the superior by handing over earth and stones, then the person receiving the property would ask the notary to record the transfer in a deed called an instrument of sasine. The instrument was then registered in the Register of Sasines for the county or burgh. The tenor of the precept of sasine is written into the instrument of sasine.

If the person receiving the property could not attend, he might send an agent or bailie to act for him too.

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Re: Help with handwriting documents (Feu charter & Sasine) pages 4 to 6
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 01:02 GMT (UK) »
This page might be interesting
http://chrispatonsblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/land-inheritance-in-scotland.html

Chris Paton seems to be one the fonts of all knowledge about Scottish records.
He writes in the genealogy magazines, gives lectures etc etc.
He makes his living doing this, and he adds a bit of humour into things too - which is always welcome!  :)
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Help with handwriting documents (Feu charter & Sasine) pages 4 to 6
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all for the interesting comments and links about Scottish conveyancing!!