James Hartley

[lancsann]

just for ineterest

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850
Surname   Forename(s)   Surname   Forename(s)   Church / Register Office   Registers At   Reference
HARTLEY   James   PICKAVER   Sarah   Colne, St Bartholomew   Preston   CE118/4/233

All children up to Edward shown mmn as Pickaver
Edward is Pickover

I think I posted earlier in the thread that I have this marriage.

Don't know where you got Edward from

from here

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1864
Surname   Forename(s)   Mother's Maiden Name   Sub-District   Registers At   Reference
HARTLEY   Edward   PICKOVER   Colne   Preston   COL/42/66

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1864
Surname   Forename(s)   Age or Date of Birth   Sub-District   Registers At   Reference
HARTLEY   Edward   0   Colne   Preston   COL/26/84

[lancsann]

Please see previous post where I said I have got my information from Lancashire OPC.

Thanks.

you didn't actually - you said family search which is a different site

[Gibby1968]

I think her name was Peckover.

I have come across this a lot with my other names.

[lancsann]

It seems to vary from Peckover as shown for Sarah's illegitimate daughter Hannah shown on the 1851 census but as Pickover on her baptism

Baptism: 14 May 1843 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
Hannah Pickover - [Child] of Sarah Pickover
    Abode: Moss Houses

Most weavers/carters would not have been able to read so the registrar / vicar would have written what he thought he heard

[CaroleW]

Did you read my reply 15?

[Maiden Stone]

11 Oct 1877 Christ Church, Colne, Lancashire
James Hartley - (X), 62, Carter, Widower, Bents
Elizabeth Higginson - (X), 52, Widow, Lanshaw Bridge
Groom's Father: James Hartley, Weaver
Witnesses  John Hartley; Joseph Pickles

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/

I don't think this is the correct marriage.  Looking at the children's GRO birth registrations it is more likely to be this one:

Marriage: 5 Feb 1866 St Bartholomew, Colne, Lancashire, England
James Hartley - (X), 49, Weaver, Widower, Bents
Elizabeth Smith - 30, Spinster, Barrowford
    Groom's Father: James Hartley, Weaver
    Bride's Father: William Smith, Farm Labourer
    Witness: Marth Sharp, (X); John Horsfield
    Married by Banns by: G Davidson
    Register: Marriages 1865 - 1870, Page 4, Entry 8
    Source: LDS Film 1471066

Debra 

I think both are correct

Lancashirebmd has this death

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1875
Surname   Forename(s)   Age or Date of Birth   Sub-District   Registers At   Reference
HARTLEY   Elizabeth   39   Colne   Preston   COL/40/2

There was also this marriage at St. Peter, Burnley 16th Jan. 1861.
James Hartley, full age, carter, Healy Laith
Betsy Hartley, full, dressmaker, spinster, Blucher St.
Groom's father James Hartley, farmer
Bride's father William Hartley, labourer.
(LAN OPC)

Are we sure that James Hartley the carter was same man as James Hartley the weaver?

[lancsann]

But Sarah Hartley was still alive in the 1861 census

[Maiden Stone]

All the children were born between c1859 and c1870 in Colne.

Birth registrations of Hartley children in Colne with mother's maiden surname Pickhaver or Pickover were from 1851-1864. Joseph 1851; Nancy 1853; Elizabeth 1856; Stephen 1857; Benjamin 1858; Mary 1861 and Edward 1864. (Lancs. BMD)

Possible death registrations in Colne for Sarah Hartley, taking into account her stated age at marriage and birth of her presumed last child in 1864:
1864 aged 43
1866 aged 41
1876 aged 56
I can't see likely burials for any of them on LAN OPC.

[Maiden Stone]

But Sarah Hartley was still alive in the 1861 census

Thanks for the reminder.