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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #27 on: Monday 07 January 19 01:08 GMT (UK) »
What is interesting about the 1917 file I've sent to Christiana is that while it is titled 'In the matter of the estate of...', the only death I can find on NZ BDM is the 1952 event noted above. So if the file only relates to his property, why, when he died 35 years later?

Reading the articles linked to above I noted that Herbert was also known as 'Jack' ALDER, and there is a 1951 death of a Jack Alder, although he's too young, at 43 years.

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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #28 on: Monday 07 January 19 01:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

With regard to Spades' comments above.......

When Herbert became a patient of an asylum, some Order would probably have been made concerning his estate at that point.

Everyone who has assets has an estate, in other words, this does not necessarily mean the person is deceased.

It may be that the estate would have been exhausted prior to his death in 1952.

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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #29 on: Monday 07 January 19 01:33 GMT (UK) »
Greetings Spades.

From what I read into the file heading I wondered if it was legal language pertaining to to a Court Judgment re committal, and who should be taking charge of any personal effects of consequence. Eg Public Trustee.


But from the time lines supplied in the forum and by PM I, wondered about what interest H. ALDER may have had in the Koheroa, Mercer address, just some 65 km from the Auckland CBD. Occupation there would not presumably have been for very long. Unless funds were invested upon arrival in the country.

Alan.


PS Re #26. By PM I was one of the first to explain to the OP how to access records at either Wellington or Auckland. Short for time I skip read and stuffed up my offer for any Auckland look ups and it is known that that offer still stands, but I expect February will be the first time I can attend in person. When in attendance, if not accessed by others beforehand, I will seek Archives assistance to locate any records available for public viewing, that have not been individually catalogued that MAY pertain to this enquirey. There is also potential for pre committal general hospital registrations that may help with timelines.  [Perhaps my on line request for assistance could have been better worded "look-up" instead of "look see".
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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #30 on: Monday 07 January 19 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alan,

The file gives his occupation, but I'll leave it to Christiana to answer you once she's seen the images.

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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #31 on: Monday 07 January 19 03:02 GMT (UK) »
Yes spades. She knows she is free to contact me if she chooses to do so. She is new to research in NZ, but told her there are many specialists on here that can help her.
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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #32 on: Monday 07 January 19 03:25 GMT (UK) »
Plenty of us are helping her, Fresh Fields, many of us with extensive experience at ArchivesNZ. So don't fret!

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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #33 on: Monday 07 January 19 04:00 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Alan and Minniehaha for the background information.

The Jack ALDER who died in 1951 was from Huntly, a Slag Works Worker/Farmer.

The Kiwi Index has no mention of a Herbert ALDER.

Nothing on Papers Past after the 1927 notices seeking information about his whereabouts.

Archway doesn't list any patient Registers for Avondale Mental Hospital, although this file seems promising, perhaps:
https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=20122657

Were there any other mental hospitals in the Auckland region that he might have been admitted to?

I think purchasing the death certificate is the key.

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Re: Is anyone going to the Wellington Archives at all?
« Reply #34 on: Monday 07 January 19 04:08 GMT (UK) »

Were there any other mental hospitals in the Auckland region that he might have been admitted to?


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« Reply #35 on: Monday 07 January 19 04:52 GMT (UK) »
Thanks KHP,

There's 34 files listed on Archway. Most are restricted.

If I recall correctly there was a lookup service by a NZSG branch for BD & M notices published in the New Zealand Herald . Does anyone know?

There might have been a death notice.

And treading very lightly on Janette's area of expertise, the funeral director involved might still have that information as well as names of any relatives aware of his death.

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HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL