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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #9 on: Monday 07 January 19 20:43 GMT (UK) »
Don't think it's him.  He is living with his father in 1841.  1851 has first child aged 9

Marriages June qtr 1841 
FOX    Charles Richard         Stockbridge    7   277   
SAVILLE    Elizabeth         Stockbridge    7   277
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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #10 on: Monday 07 January 19 21:09 GMT (UK) »
james richard fox came from the Richard foxes from mottisfont (my great grandmother used to tell me when I was a wee thing, she also told my Father). I have traced back to Richard fox and mary wiltshire, then richard and mary/martha, then richard and sarah golden. I think richard 2 and richard 3 had various other marriages also, which means there should somewhere be another charles richard. I have a charles richard from sarah golden b.1802 but he married a rebecca denby , whether he had a 2nd marriage I dont know......

Carole, I could attach what I have got so far for you??????

How and where do you find your information???

Very many thanks  :)

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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #11 on: Monday 07 January 19 22:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Finished watching Manhunt  :) 

I find it odd that James does not appear on the 1841/51 census.  If he was born 1836/37 he should at least be on the 1841 with parents unless his father or mother died before 1841.  There is no 1851 entry with a birthplace of Mottisfont

Not many Charles Richard Fox's about and I am wondering whether James was the illegitimate son of one of Charles sisters and possibly used his uncles name when he married

This is the 1861 for Charles from Family Search
Houghton, Hampshire
   
Charles Richard Fox    Head    M    59    Lyndhurst, Hampshire retired farmer
Elizabeth Fox    Wife    F    61    Cuperham, Hampshire

RG9 Piece 688 folio 67 page 6

And in 1851

Charles R Fox    49
Elizabeth 51
Annette  9
Ellen  8
Mary B 5
HO107 Piece 1672 Folio 212 Page 17
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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #12 on: Monday 07 January 19 22:54 GMT (UK) »
in the Hampshire, England, Allegations for Marriage Licences there is this entry

Charles Richard Fox
Allegation Date    16 Apr 1835
Place   Broughton, St Mary, Hampshire
Residence   Mottisfont, St Andrew
Spouse    Harriet Jane Bell Age:    21
Spouse Residence:    Broughton


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Deaths June qtr 1839   
FOX    Harriett Jane         Stockbridge    7   152 - aged 34
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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #13 on: Monday 07 January 19 23:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Carole, reply 2 has James b 1837 Mottisfont on FindMyPast, on Ancestry James K Trax b 1827 your thoughts!
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Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #14 on: Monday 07 January 19 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Keyboard - I completely missed your reply but I think you are spot on.  He is 14 not 24 and it's Fox not Trax

He's an apprentice draper which fits with his occ on the marriage cert

If you flip back a page there is this entry - children b Devizes

John James Fox 47 Linen draper b Mottisfont
Mary Ann 45 ? Middlesex
Charles 17
Richard 15
Alfred 12

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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #15 on: Monday 07 January 19 23:31 GMT (UK) »
 :) Carole, unless I have a different version of the 1851, the Head of household is a John James Fox aged 47 b Mottisfont?
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 :) You've answered my query!
Pelly/Pelley/Kingsbury/Challis/Nalder/Rochester/Raydenbow

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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #16 on: Monday 07 January 19 23:33 GMT (UK) »
The family are in Hampshire in 1861 but I'm not going to confuse things by posting full details as there is no direct link to James at this stage.  Here's the 1861 ref for possible future ref

RG9 Piece 715 Folio 91 Page 31

EDIT

In 1841 - John J Fox & family are in Wiltshire but no James with them

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Re: New and Well Stuck in FOX mud......
« Reply #17 on: Monday 07 January 19 23:50 GMT (UK) »
If James was the son of Charles Richard Fox  and Harriett Jane Bell - where is he in 1841? 
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