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Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Trying to track down birth records for one Elizabeth Ann Rigby. Estimated born Toxteth Park (Liverpool) in circa 1851.  I understand MMN was Ann (e) Molloy (although this may be Maloy/Mahoy or another derivative.) Ann Molloy 'may' have been the daughter of a Sarah Corns but I have nothing concrete for that.

Elizabeth's Father is a 'Josiah (Joseph?) Rigby' born circa 1828 in Liverpool. But I can't find any marriage details for him and Ann Molloy which has me now scratching my head!!  ???

Wondering if anyone is able to help me please?

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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 15:51 GMT (UK) »
Possible from FreeBMD?

Mar qtr 1850
Liverpool Registration District     vol XX (20), page 363

Rigby, Elizabeth Ann
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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 15:53 GMT (UK) »
Possible from FreeBMD?

Mar qtr 1850
Liverpool Registration District     vol XX (20), page 363

Rigby, Elizabeth Ann

The index on FindMyPast has mmn Burnett
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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 15:56 GMT (UK) »
Where do you have Elizabeth Ann on census.  I presume she married, who is named as her father and what was his occupation

Ignore this I have found it  :)
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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 16:06 GMT (UK) »
If she married Charles Hessey 21 Jan 1872 father is down as Josiah Rigby labourer
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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 16:09 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.

I think I must have gone wrong somewhere  ::)

I know Elizabeth Ann Rigby definitely married Charles Edward Hessey in 1872 at St Nicholas's Church. On their cert. it states 'Josiah' as the Father.

I then made a link to the 1871 Census (which is so faded to read it's not true!) which records a JOSHUA Hessey (who I assumed was Josiah) living with Ann and with daughter Elizabeth... But maybe I was wrong to make that assumption of Joshua/Josiah being one and the same?

I was especially drawn to this Census as it also has an 'Ann' aged 1 living here. I know from family hearsay that Elizabeth had a daughter (Ann) out of wedlock and that it was passed off as a daughter of Elizabeth's mother therefore...the dates of all of that info tally.  Maybe Elizabeth's Mother Ann wasn't a Molloy?  ???

I just can't find a Rigby with a MMN Molloy (or similar) anywhere?!! In fact I can't find any children in and around the area with MMN Molloy which is interesting as I came across an 1851 Census in Oliver Street of an Ann Molloy unmarried and a daughter Elizabeth Molloy aged 1?

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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 16:17 GMT (UK) »
Thank you.

I think I must have gone wrong somewhere  ::)

I know Elizabeth Ann Rigby definitely married Charles Edward Hessey in 1872 at St Nicholas's Church. On their cert. it states 'Josiah' as the Father.

I then made a link to the 1871 Census (which is so faded to read it's not true!) which records a JOSHUA Hessey (who I assumed was Josiah) living with Ann and with daughter Elizabeth... But maybe I was wrong to make that assumption of Joshua/Josiah being one and the same?

I was especially drawn to this Census as it also has an 'Ann' aged 1 living here. I know from family hearsay that Elizabeth had a daughter (Ann) out of wedlock and that it was passed off as a daughter of Elizabeth's mother therefore...the dates of all of that info tally.  Maybe Elizabeth's Mother Ann wasn't a Molloy?  ???


Ref for 1871  RG10/3799 f18 p29  - It is a dreadful copy, I also think it reads Joshua  :)

I think that Joshua and Josiah could easily be the same person
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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 January 19 06:27 GMT (UK) »
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I understand MMN was Ann (e) Molloy

Molloy may have been her first married name, as there is a baptism (11 Mar 1850) in Toxteth, for an Elizabeth, daughter of Josiah and Ann Molloy.  He was a labourer, and I can't quite make out the abode.... it looks like Ashby St.


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Re: Hit a Wall - Ref: Tracing a birth
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 January 19 15:09 GMT (UK) »
1861
RG9/   2704 f95 p36
all born Toxteth Park
Joseph Rigby 29 (Dock Labourer) Ann 28, Elizabeth 10

1851 - There is a married Joseph Rigby age 19 occ labourer in Toxteth lodging with a Rigby family - place of birth Winwick.  HO107/2188 f249 p15
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