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Help needed with the author of this diary
« on: Wednesday 09 January 19 23:36 GMT (UK) »
I'd be grateful for any help or advice on the following please. I've got a really lovely diary from 1824 documenting a trip to Italy, but can't make out the author's name. I can see the two uprights of the first names, although the first could be a Lt for Lieutenant. I think the first letter of the surname is a P although it could be a B or an F, but the other letters change every time I look at them. Something like Provost, or Parvlot or Prebus, although the author seems to be English and they sailed from Liverpool.

As this is an original document, are there any tips or tricks i can try? Would ultra-violet light help maybe? I can post further pictures if helpful, but know this is a difficult request!  :(


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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 23:41 GMT (UK) »
It reads like Diary of Journey Italy, to me. Ah...just noticed the signature  ::)
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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 09 January 19 23:45 GMT (UK) »
I think so too,canít see a name ,where is that?
Oh a little above, very faint Pingle?
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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 January 19 08:51 GMT (UK) »
I'd suggest trying with a UV light, I understand that seemingly faded out writing, even if pretty well all gone, can become legible.

I've tried playing around with the image but there's too much fade on the name to be able to enhance it enough to read.

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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 January 19 10:37 GMT (UK) »
I've tried playing with the image, but can't make it better.

Here it is a little darker & sharper:



I can't decide whether there is possibly a "y" or a "g" at the end, or whether it's just a line in the paper.  ???

And is that "ee" in the middle?  ::)

I see different things every time, too!  :o

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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 January 19 10:49 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if this helps
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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 10 January 19 17:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Karen, Gadget, yes I think that does help. It now looks like "Lt J P_r_tin". I'll try taking some other photos in different light, and looking at in under a UV light (somehow). I'll also learn to resize my images before I post them here!
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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 January 19 19:16 GMT (UK) »
I keep seeing the end of the name as i's, as in P_ _ _ _ i's.  Does the content of the diary hint to the nationality of the author? 

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Re: Help needed with the author of this diary
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 January 19 19:45 GMT (UK) »
I may be well off the mark here, but could it say Lord Portman?

PORTMAN, Edward Berkeley II (1799-1888), of Bryanston, Dorset.

"Portman, who took a first class degree at Oxford in 1821, witnessed the death of his father, Member for Dorset, in Rome in January 1823, but the poor health of other members of the family prevented his immediate return to England"

https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1820-1832/member/portman-edward-1799-1888

There are lots of references to him and his family online.
http://www.mikeparsons.org.uk/genealogy/portman/index.html
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