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Offline MrDudley

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Dudley of London/Swepstone
« on: Thursday 10 January 19 21:43 GMT (UK) »
I've come across a crest which has been hinted to have been used by the Dudley family who were Vintners and Members of the Worshipful Company of Vintners in London during 1615-1650. The crest is thus -
'An Arm in Armour embowed or Dexter? holding in hand a grape vine, all proper' Not sure if this crest is worded correctly?
From what I can make out the Armour is to denote service in the Civil War (Henry Dudley, Esq son of Thomas the Vintner was a Royalist Lieutenant in Hastings Regiment) and grapevine for connection to the vintners company.
If anyone could make this crest it would be most appreciated.
Leicestershire Minor Gentry -
Richard Dudley, Gent of Cosby
George Bent, Gent of Cosby
Edmond Read, Gent of Sutton in the Elms
William Black, Gent of Kilby
Thomas Asher, Gent of Little Peatling
Humphrey Elkington, Gent of Shawell & Malmesbury
Richard Swynfen, Gent of Sutton Cheney
Bernard Cotton, Esq of Dadlington
Sir Thomas Halford, 2nd Baronet of Wistow
John Cotes, Gent of Aylestone & Cossington
Thomas Hobson, Gent of Grt Glen

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Re: Dudley of London/Swepstone
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 January 19 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Hello MrDudley,

"An Arm in Armour embowed or Dexter? holding in hand a grape vine, all proper" 

I think, to be correct, it should be "An arm in armour embowed to dexter holding in hand a grape vine all Proper." 

The thing is, I cannot find this blazon anywhere - not in Fairbairn's Heraldic Crests, not in The General Armory, not Fox-Davis. Various Dudleys, but none with this crest. Which begs the question - Where did it come from? 

I am attempting to depict it and the rest of the coat of arms would be helpful. That is to say the colour of the torse - otherwise I will have to leave it blank. 

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Chas
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Offline MrDudley

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Re: Dudley of London/Swepstone
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 January 19 21:00 GMT (UK) »
Hello Kiltpin

I'm not sure were it came from myself.
Its possible it was just adopted for personal use, I know some members of guilds etc had Arms and Crests granted to them but some guild members or wealthy Gentlemen assumed personal crests and had silverware and rings engraved with the them but didnt adopt a coat of arms.
Crest seems to entwine the Occupations of Thomas Dudley, Vintner and Member of the Worshipful company of Vintners 1615-1648 and Henry Dudley, Esq his son who was a Royalist Lieutenant in the Civil War.
Does All Proper mean natural colour? I would assume Silver/Grey armour and green leaves and purple/green grapes?

Although the Dudleys of Swepstone/Odstone/Cosby are apparently through research done by Dean Dudley who published the Dudley family geneaology publications that these Dudleys descend from Richard Dudley of Clopton, Northamptonshire but doesn't say how. The Dudleys have held Clopton as lords of the manor since the 1300s.
On the Visitation Pedigree supplied by Thomas in 1634 for 'Dudley of Swepstone, Leic', No Arms or Crest were given but the Term 'Vide Leicester and Northampton' is mentioned at the top which means there is some connection between this pedigree and the 2 Dudley pedigrees mentioned in the Visitation of Northamptonshire, although I havent been able to find a connection between them but younger sons on the clopton pedigree are not documented in their descent.

The arms and crest used by the Clopton Dudleys until the Baronetcy died out was - 'Azure a chevron or between three lions heads erased argent'
'On A Ducal Coronet Or, A Woman's Head With A Helmet Thereon, The Hair Dishevelled And The Throat-Latch Loose Ppr.'

Leicestershire Minor Gentry -
Richard Dudley, Gent of Cosby
George Bent, Gent of Cosby
Edmond Read, Gent of Sutton in the Elms
William Black, Gent of Kilby
Thomas Asher, Gent of Little Peatling
Humphrey Elkington, Gent of Shawell & Malmesbury
Richard Swynfen, Gent of Sutton Cheney
Bernard Cotton, Esq of Dadlington
Sir Thomas Halford, 2nd Baronet of Wistow
John Cotes, Gent of Aylestone & Cossington
Thomas Hobson, Gent of Grt Glen