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Wording of 1570 Essex baptism COMPLETED
« on: Friday 11 January 19 20:42 GMT (UK) »
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Could I please have opinions on the wording of this 1570 Essex baptism? I am curious as to the words in the middle between the father's name and the baptism date. The date is 2nd Feb - could be a reference to the Presentation (Candlemas)? I still can't understand the actual words though.

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APPLETON Harwich/Gravesend/Stepney
BRADLEY Bermondsey/Canning Town/Ilford, Essex
COLE/SALTWELL/DAVEY/MONK/RILEY/COPSEY/PAVET/BACON Navestock area Essex
CALLOW Dartford Kent/Deptford  RANDALL Greenwich/Deptford
DAVIS Ross/Stroud,Glos/West Ham, Essex
FENNING Gosbeck, Suffolk  WELCH Devon/Greenwich/Stanmore/Ipswich
PALMER Rotherhithe/Deptford/West Ham/Ilford
LANGDALE E London/Deptford  HERITAGE Rotherhithe/Bermondsey
VIZARD Bermondsey/Shoreditch  TURNER Liverpool/Chatham

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 January 19 20:54 GMT (UK) »
I think it's more likely to say his occupation, followed by 'in', and then a place name.
Neither of which I can work out at the moment!  :)

Can you post a bigger piece from the page, so we can see more of his writing, and how the other baptisms are recorded.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #2 on: Friday 11 January 19 20:58 GMT (UK) »
I think the place name is 'Good Easter'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Easter
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #3 on: Friday 11 January 19 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Yes I do think you are right that it is Good Easter
APPLETON Harwich/Gravesend/Stepney
BRADLEY Bermondsey/Canning Town/Ilford, Essex
COLE/SALTWELL/DAVEY/MONK/RILEY/COPSEY/PAVET/BACON Navestock area Essex
CALLOW Dartford Kent/Deptford  RANDALL Greenwich/Deptford
DAVIS Ross/Stroud,Glos/West Ham, Essex
FENNING Gosbeck, Suffolk  WELCH Devon/Greenwich/Stanmore/Ipswich
PALMER Rotherhithe/Deptford/West Ham/Ilford
LANGDALE E London/Deptford  HERITAGE Rotherhithe/Bermondsey
VIZARD Bermondsey/Shoreditch  TURNER Liverpool/Chatham

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #4 on: Friday 11 January 19 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Here is a bit more of the page
APPLETON Harwich/Gravesend/Stepney
BRADLEY Bermondsey/Canning Town/Ilford, Essex
COLE/SALTWELL/DAVEY/MONK/RILEY/COPSEY/PAVET/BACON Navestock area Essex
CALLOW Dartford Kent/Deptford  RANDALL Greenwich/Deptford
DAVIS Ross/Stroud,Glos/West Ham, Essex
FENNING Gosbeck, Suffolk  WELCH Devon/Greenwich/Stanmore/Ipswich
PALMER Rotherhithe/Deptford/West Ham/Ilford
LANGDALE E London/Deptford  HERITAGE Rotherhithe/Bermondsey
VIZARD Bermondsey/Shoreditch  TURNER Liverpool/Chatham

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 January 19 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Hmm.
The others in the clip don't have an occupation or place name.
You don't say which parish in Essex this is from.
Is it a different place to Good Easter? Perhaps that's why Thomas Lucking's parish is given.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 January 19 21:46 GMT (UK) »
It is from Margaret Roding. There has been a reference to someone being from "Good Ester" (not same surname), also single references to "High Ester" and "Hartford". No occupations except "Clerke & Parson of this church" and Gent.

I agree that the second half is "Good Ester". The first half looks like "Games in" but I can make no sense of "Games in Good Ester". Maybe I need to go away and come back to it later.

Many thanks for your help.

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APPLETON Harwich/Gravesend/Stepney
BRADLEY Bermondsey/Canning Town/Ilford, Essex
COLE/SALTWELL/DAVEY/MONK/RILEY/COPSEY/PAVET/BACON Navestock area Essex
CALLOW Dartford Kent/Deptford  RANDALL Greenwich/Deptford
DAVIS Ross/Stroud,Glos/West Ham, Essex
FENNING Gosbeck, Suffolk  WELCH Devon/Greenwich/Stanmore/Ipswich
PALMER Rotherhithe/Deptford/West Ham/Ilford
LANGDALE E London/Deptford  HERITAGE Rotherhithe/Bermondsey
VIZARD Bermondsey/Shoreditch  TURNER Liverpool/Chatham

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 12 January 19 04:54 GMT (UK) »
I am fairly sure that the surname is:  Luckin

The apparent character at the end of the line is the word of, but partly lost in the binding.

There are a few examples of g in the second image, showing the characteristic C16th flat top and a shorter curved tail.  In contrast the f has a long straight tail.

Look at Sabyn Wood's entry.  Cut the word of with a vertical line just to the right of the o.  The left part is just like the last character of the Luckin entry.

The troublesome word should be a place name within Good Easter (as you have identified).

It could be Games, Gaines or something similar.

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Re: Wording of 1570 Essex baptism
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 January 19 09:09 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Horsleydown86. I initially thought the surname was spelled Lucking but I can see that you are right that it is Luckin followed by "of".

I have slept on it and come to the conclusion that Games, or possibly Gaines although no sign of a dot over an i, must be the name of William Luckin's house or farm in Good Easter. Maybe I will find more entries that will clarify this.

Thank you both for your help.

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APPLETON Harwich/Gravesend/Stepney
BRADLEY Bermondsey/Canning Town/Ilford, Essex
COLE/SALTWELL/DAVEY/MONK/RILEY/COPSEY/PAVET/BACON Navestock area Essex
CALLOW Dartford Kent/Deptford  RANDALL Greenwich/Deptford
DAVIS Ross/Stroud,Glos/West Ham, Essex
FENNING Gosbeck, Suffolk  WELCH Devon/Greenwich/Stanmore/Ipswich
PALMER Rotherhithe/Deptford/West Ham/Ilford
LANGDALE E London/Deptford  HERITAGE Rotherhithe/Bermondsey
VIZARD Bermondsey/Shoreditch  TURNER Liverpool/Chatham