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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #9 on: Friday 11 January 19 23:59 GMT (UK) »
If I have the right person
1841 shows her as 30 yrs
1851 shows her as 43 yrs

Ah sorry I was just going by what was said at reply #1  :-[  :)
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 12 January 19 00:04 GMT (UK) »
I didn’t see that  :-\

There are a few Matthew Rowells around - various ages so could be wrong - maybe the wrong tree as mentioned.
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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 12 January 19 00:07 GMT (UK) »
There is a marriage 1832
Isabella Rowell and Jacob Ritson  :-\
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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 12 January 19 00:11 GMT (UK) »
I didn’t see that  :-\

There are a few Matthew Rowells around - various ages so could be wrong - maybe the wrong tree as mentioned.


No I think you were right first time.  1841 has “Isab. Shield” aged 30 in the family, Matthew also there.  The month-old baby Jonathan Shield was registered Jun qtr 1841 Hexham with mmn Rowell.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 12 January 19 09:47 GMT (UK) »
All - thank you.

I now have marriage cert details for Isabella and William. They married at The Chapel at Ninebanks (Church of England by Banns)in the Parish of Allendale on 2 June 1840 both stated as Of full age William a widower, Isabella a spinster. Her father Matthew a Miner His father Jonathan Shield also a miner. Isabella living at Ninebanks and William at Dryburn. The names of witnesses are difficult to read.

so is the baptism identified by Haywood the right Isabella - if so it gives me the family!

Age of isabella can only taken from the census as Haywood said - I had not considered this info correctly apologies !
1841 shows her as 30 yrs born c 1811
1851 shows her as 43 yrs Born c 1808

so this may be the correct isabella

Free Reg shows this baptism. https://www.freereg.org.uk
St Cuthbert Allendale
Isaba Rowell baptised 10th September 1809
Parents Matt Rowell and Mary Sim
Abode  Cattoni

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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 12 January 19 18:54 GMT (UK) »

Before I start researching the line for Isabella - ancestry has another baptism listed that could be her

Isabella Rowell
Gender:   Female
Birth Date:   4 Sep 1807
Baptism Date:   19 Sep 1807
Baptism Place:   Saint Peter and Allenheads Chapelries,Allendale,Northumberland,England
Father:   Matthew Rowell
Mother:   Isabella Brown
FHL Film Number:   0252518, 0252523-4

any thoughts on how I would be able to identify the right child? and therefore the right family?

many thanks

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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 12 January 19 19:21 GMT (UK) »
Maybe have a look for any burial of the 1807 Isabella (and her mother) in case the 1809 one was born to the same Matthew with a subsequent wife?

Any burial of either child in case only one or other survived to adulthood.

Also any other baptisms with father Matthew Rowell, and/or marriages for men of that name, for an understanding as to whether these were two separate families having children at the same time, or one man with successive marriages.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 12 January 19 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Great idea - done that using freeReg - just one - aged 89! :(

but thanks for the idea.

Trying to trace both couples in the 1941 census to see if Matthews occupation os not a miner for one - that would help!

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Re: Illigitimate Rowell - who is the father?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 13 January 19 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Matthew and Mary Sim married 15 Jun 1807 Allendale.
They bapt same day ISABA/WM 10 Sep 1809 (William is noted as 1st Son)
Abode Catton

Now MATT/BELLA Rowel bapt;
BELLA 15 July 1810 3rd Daug
JANE 15 Jul 1810 4th Daug
Abode Tedham

All above on FreeREG

Familysearch. Org has a MATHEW Rowell christened 20 October 1805 to Mathew Rowell and Isabel Brown

So looks like 2 different couples to me.

Aah they married 3 December 1796 Allendale (Matt Rowell/Isabella Brown)
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