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Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« on: Saturday 12 January 19 15:26 GMT (UK) »
This picture is believed to be of my distant cousins Henry Robinson and John Jackson. The only two survivors from the crew of the ill-fated 'Eliza Fernley` and `Laura Janet` Lancashire Lifeboats, capsized 10 December, 1886.
My 3x great grandfather Ralph Peters was deputy coxswain of the Eliza Fernley.
His son Benjamin along with 25 other local lifeboat-men also lost their lives on the same fateful rescue mission.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southport_and_St_Anne%27s_lifeboats_disaster#

Any help possible would be much appreciated.
Some of my couples of interest-
North Meols--Henry Wright d1782, married 21/05/1754, Elen Brekell b1733, 2nd wife married 9/09/1765, Alice Leigh b1733.
John Howard buried 13/12/1619, marriage date unknown to Ann, buried 1628.
William Rigby & Ann Holmes, married 31/07/1764.
Ormskirk- John Crompton, 1805/1866, married 22/08/1825,  Mary Johnson, 1803/1866.
John Molyneux b1704, married 31/01/1731, Mary Guy b1711.
Rochdale-- John Wolfenden 1667/1707, married 4/12/1692, Mary Holle, b1662

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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 January 19 07:08 GMT (UK) »
My try.
Peter
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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 January 19 10:47 GMT (UK) »
Be aware that this is an 1850's/60's ambrotype so around 20-25 years prior to the disaster.
In 1886 they would have been in their 50's/60's.
That should give you an idea if it's them.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 13 January 19 11:56 GMT (UK) »
Glad you said that Jim because I had doubts as to whether would fit when I saw this last night and decided to leave for you  :D
Carol
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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 13 January 19 12:12 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your time and quality work Mcgroger.
Thanks Jim, I understand your reasoning but I'm not so sure the dating of process can be so precise.
I've read that this style continued to be used for many years after 1860.
The original of this image has been donated and is on display at the Atkinson Museum with other artifacts connected to the tragedy.
In the time since I donated to the museum I've learnt that because the image was a negative on glass, it could possibly of been used as a type of magic lantern slide.
What I really hope to achieve eventually is copying the clearest image possible to glass or perspex so I can recreate the victorian magic.
Some of my couples of interest-
North Meols--Henry Wright d1782, married 21/05/1754, Elen Brekell b1733, 2nd wife married 9/09/1765, Alice Leigh b1733.
John Howard buried 13/12/1619, marriage date unknown to Ann, buried 1628.
William Rigby & Ann Holmes, married 31/07/1764.
Ormskirk- John Crompton, 1805/1866, married 22/08/1825,  Mary Johnson, 1803/1866.
John Molyneux b1704, married 31/01/1731, Mary Guy b1711.
Rochdale-- John Wolfenden 1667/1707, married 4/12/1692, Mary Holle, b1662

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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 13 January 19 12:44 GMT (UK) »
Ambrotypes were superseded by the CdeV in 1858 & became obsolete by the mid 1860's.
By nature of the process used ambrotypes are in reverse as the glass was the medium used (the glass was covered in a light sensitive emulsion) making them positives rather than negatives (which were then superimposed onto light sensitive paper putting them the right way round) so what you see is a mirror image.
Definitely within the date range I gave.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 13 January 19 12:56 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Jim....the clothing fits the era too.
Carol
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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 13 January 19 13:05 GMT (UK) »
As Jim has pointed out, the photograph is a reverse image, so I have flipped it for you to show how it would have been taken,
Pat
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Waller - Dent, Yorkshire dales
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Re: Restoration please. Henry Robinson and John Jackson. Eliza Fernley Crew.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 13 January 19 13:09 GMT (UK) »
This is the original photo without the frame
Pat
Bownass - Lancashire & Westmorland
Hoggarth - Lancashire & Westmorland
Jackson- Lancaster
Waller - Dent, Yorkshire dales
Omerod - Lancashire
Redburn - Lancashire
Evans - Hereford

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