Author Topic: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock  (Read 1604 times)

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Re: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 January 19 21:35 GMT (UK) »
Caltha, what do you make of the mention in Mary's 1900 census entry where it states that she had had 3 children and all living? Normally this should only refer to children from a current marriage but she also is including the Barr children it seems. Who is No. 3 I wonder?

There is a shipping manifest entry:

Mrs. J Barr, 27 (ie b. 1855) Scottish. She left Glasgow for NY on the 'Furnessia', arriving there on 22 Sept 1882. Travelling with her was a 1 yr old Christina Barr.

With Kathleen being born in Scotland in March 1884 from what Forfarian mentioned, if the above entry is for Mary Barr, she would have obviously come back in time for her birth in Scotland.

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Re: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock
« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 January 19 21:39 GMT (UK) »
Not sure that entry above will connect if John Barr was being made bankrupt in 1884 in Scotland  :-\

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Re: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 January 19 21:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi Monica - thanks you for your research.  I suspect that this is not the same Mary Barr.  Firstly, I'm unaware of an earlier child, but having a quick check in Scotland's People suggests that she was born in 1881 in Dalry.  The family were in Kilmarnock at that time and, indeed, it was in this year that Mary's son Norman was born.

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Re: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 January 19 21:55 GMT (UK) »
It was the reference in the 1900 census where Mary states 3 living children that made me wonder...

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Re: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock
« Reply #13 on: Monday 14 January 19 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Oh yes, I missed that!  I haven't found reference to a third child, especially living in 1900.

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Re: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock
« Reply #14 on: Monday 14 January 19 22:11 GMT (UK) »
Just checked Scotlands People again and then most realistic Christina Barr (Dalry) had different parentage.

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Re: Searching for John Barr and Mary Barr 1881 to 1901 - Paisley/Kilmarnock
« Reply #15 on: Monday 14 January 19 22:22 GMT (UK) »
It was the reference in the 1900 census where Mary states 3 living children that made me wonder...
Yes, I wondered about that too - there's no sign of another child with her in either census.
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