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Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« on: Monday 14 January 19 17:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone

I am hoping that someone can tell me how I can find out if this cap badge is American, Canadian or British? The man in the photograph was born in Scotland in 1904 and emigrated to Canada in 1923. He served in the Merchant Navy in World War II.

Many thanks for any help or advice.

Kind regards

Diana

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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 14 January 19 18:05 GMT (UK) »
It appears to have the American Eagle.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.

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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 14 January 19 18:13 GMT (UK) »
US Navy.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 January 19 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Many thanks for your comments.
Yes you could well be right that it is American.

Kind regards

Diana
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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 January 19 22:22 GMT (UK) »
The badge is bugging me!  It certainly is American and he is wearing US badges of rank on his collar  (2 bars  =  Lt in the Navy).  However there should be a centrepiece, a shield with stars and stripes, to his cap badge.  Google any image of a USN offer for comparison, even back in the day.  Can't find one exactly like it though so unless someone can find the exact same one I shall put it way in the today's minor mystery tray.

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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 January 19 23:29 GMT (UK) »
I agree with MaxD : the rank badges are US military or Navy but the cap-badge is not regular Navy or Coastguard.
I wonder if if it is one of the predecessors to the US Military Sea Transportation Service ? Something like the RN's Royal Fleet Auxiliary they were the vessels that carried supplies and personnel but were not considered fighting ships as such.  Were their officers civilians or were they commissioned, perhaps with their own cap badge to distinguish them from "combat" officers ?
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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 15:52 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for the comments.
 
I am asking for a friend. I am told that he was in the Merchant navy. Strange seeing as he is Scottish/Canadian.

Kind regards

Diana
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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 16:00 GMT (UK) »
I had noticed what you had been told about the Merchant Navy.  Whatever the facts about his badge (the shield may have dropped off!) it isn't a pic of a British or American or Canadian Merchant Navy man so I'd wonder whether the phot has been mistaken for someone else?

Do you have his name?  Some records of Merchant seamen are searchable at the National Archives.

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Re: Is this cap badge American, Canadian or British?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 16:07 GMT (UK) »
Oops! Apologies! I forgot I had said already about the Merchant Navy bit.
Many thanks for your help MaxD.

I have passed on this information to my friend and am waiting for a reply as to what he would like to do. We are in touch by email. I have offered to search on Ancestry for him too.

I will be in post when I hear from him.

Thank you again for all your help.

Kind regards

Diana
Collins-Battersea,London/Cork?
Copland - Dumfriesshire/ Wigan/Wallasey
Douglas-Edinburgh
Goldie/Ayrshire /Airdrie
Millar/Airdrie
Nicholson-Dumfries/Kirkcubright
Robinson-Penistone, Yorkshire
Thomson- Fife