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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 20:03 GMT (UK) »
The date family look to be of interest but the ancestry 1941 census has him as George Date not William Date...or is this another family

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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 15 January 19 20:11 GMT (UK) »
 :D Oops where did I get William from, correct it is George!
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George Date dies aged 62 March qtr 1844 Helston.

George Date married Loveday Blewet 22nd February 1814 Sithney
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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 11:27 GMT (UK) »
I was just wondering why the baptism record says forename: loveday stranger and surname :Martha....why would surname be Martha or does that stand for something else?
Loveday was the illegitimate daughter of Martha Stranger it would seem,
Could it not be that the surname Stranger was given to her as she was a foundling [as shown on her parish register marriage entry]? And her mother would also be unknown as shown by the '?' in the baptism transcription? It would be very useful to see the actual baptism entry rather than the transcription- I wonder if the OPC would provide an image if requested? ADDED: I have emailed OPC to ask for one, also if there are any parish documents relating to Loveday. She may have been placed with the Dates.
Here's another version of the OPC transcription
Day Month   20-Mar
Year   1827
Parish Or Reg District   Sithney
Forename   Loveday Stranger
Surname   MARTHA
Sex   
Father Forename   
Mother Forename   ?---
Residence   Chenhale
Father Rank Profession   
Notes   base child
Transcriber Notes   
[Transcribers' names were given but I'm not putting them here]

I cannot explain why Martha would have appeared in the surname  especially if Loveday married with surname Stranger.

ADDED: I see residence is same as in keyboard's census find reply #3  ::)
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 11:46 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if William & Loveday Date had a daughter Martha?
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 12:02 GMT (UK) »
The Exeter BTs show that Loveday Stranger Martha was baptised to Thomasin Martha.

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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Ahh very interesting...good find.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 12:16 GMT (UK) »
It wasn’t uncommon for illegitimate children to be given the fathers surname somewhere in their name.

So this could be the child of Thomasin Martha and someone with the surname of Stranger.

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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 12:28 GMT (UK) »
That makes more sense. Loveday may only have said she was a foundling rather than illegitimate when she married to explain no father's name.....it will be interesting to see if the parish have any documents about her. I will come back when I have a reply. I can see no children baptised to George & Lov[e]d[a]y Date on the OPC site, so perhaps they took the baby in. She would have been 40ish in 1814 when they married if the age of 65 in 1841 census is in any way correct. She was listed as 70 in 1843 when she was buried
Day Month   03-Jul
Year   1843
Parish Or Reg District   Sithney
Forename   Loveday
Surname   DATE
Age   70
Residence   Chenhale

Yes, there are several cases of father's surname as middle name for illegitimate children in my tree. 

Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: looking for Loveday Stranger on 1841 census
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 16 January 19 12:34 GMT (UK) »
Thank you everyone so much for your help - I am actually beginning to feel that we are getting somewhere with her!