Crawley family

[wivenhoe]

All the information from the 1871 marriage certificate please, for Hannah and for Herbert West

What church........does Hannah sign or make her mark......who are the witnesses.

[philrmoon]

Hi

I think that Norah she's ( shay )

Possibly fits in better as john wife

She died possibly 1850 and john remarried

To a ann nutley and Joanna was born to john and ann

Plus Ellen and Hannah ??

Regards Phil

[Annette7]

Things are not adding up - where do you get 'Julia' and 'Norah' from?

At the moment we don't know if the Denis 1844 Pancras birth is 'yours' plus the other 3 children were definitely not born in St. Pancras (or else births not registered).

Annette

 

[philrmoon]

Hi

I will study what I have for a bit and reply

Regards Phil

[wivenhoe]

GRO birth   Saint Pancras  DecQ 1848  Vol1 / Pg309
CROWLEY Johannah   mmn SHAY

Search for CRAWLEY / CROWLEY / SHAY / SHEA

The younger girls Ellen and Hannah are possibly born to mother Ann and a (so far) unidentified father.

Ann's association with John CRAWLEY, marriage or otherwise, could date from just before the 1861 census. Daughters often use the family name of mothers partner  ie CRAWLEY.

Who are Julia, Norah and NUTLEY?  If you find something promising can you been specific with the source please.

[Annette7]

Hannah Crawley is not the daughter of John and Ann - her father is not named John!

Marriage 11/1/1871 St. John's Cathedral, Portsmouth - Herbert Waters of Clarence Barracks, father Francis Mercer (?), and Hannah Crawley of Portsea, father Michaelis (i.e. Michael).

Need to be looking for a Hannah, dau. of a Michael!

Annette

[wivenhoe]

Is this your family?. I have added second given names from GRO births with mms CRAWLEY

Census 1881   @ 7 Rush Grove Woolwich  Dockyard
WATERS Herbert  38yr       Dock Constable                 b. Mountfield Sussex
WATERS Hannah  29y                                                b. Marybebone Middlesex
WATERS Eliza  (Margaret)      9yr                                b. Portsmouth Hants.
WATERS Emma (Jane)           7yr                                b. Aldershot    Hants.
WATERS William  (Herbert)    5yr                                b. Warley Essex
WATERS Arthur (Michael)       3yr                                b. Woolwich Kent
WATERS Ernest (Spencer)      1yr                                b. Hounslow Middlesex 

[heywood]

Hannah Crawley is not the daughter of John and Ann - her father is not named John!

Marriage 11/1/1871 St. John's Cathedral, Portsmouth - Herbert Waters of Clarence Barracks, father Francis Mercer (?), and Hannah Crawley of Portsea, father Michaelis (i.e. Michael).

Need to be looking for a Hannah, dau. of a Michael!

Annette

Thanks Annette.
Where did John come from I wonder 

Here are the family in 1891 1324/56 living in West Ham. Hannah’s birthplace is not helpful.

Herbert Waters   49 yrs
Hannah Waters   41 yrs b Portsmouth
William Waters   15 yrs
Sophy Waters 5 yrs
Lillian Waters 3 yrs

There is a likely death for her in 1895.

[heywood]

1871 1131/29/16

Portsea

Margaret Crawley widow 48 yrs Charwoman b Ireland
Annah -do- married 21 yrs Soldier’s wife b Middlesex

1871 1136/67/22
Herbert Waters is a Private in Clarence Barracks