Could I have help on the John family please?

[Bev2018]

Hello - first post so if I have committed any forum faux pas, I apologise!

I am really stuck on my 3rd gt grandfather Philip John born 1821 in Monmouthshire. He married Charlotte Wagenor/Wagener and their daughter Mary was my 2nd gt grandmother.

I have found Philip on the 1841 census - he is registered at the Blaenavon Ironworks as a moulder. With him is a William John, also a moulder and also aged 20. I'm assuming they are brothers. I cannot, however, for the life of me find his birth or his parents names. Would anyone have any idea where to start please?

Also, if anyone has any idea why he (and many others) appear to be living at the Ironworks rather than at an address, I'd be really grateful for enlightenment!

Thanks for reading and any help you might be able to offer.

[JJen]

Hi,

Welcome to RootsChat 

There is an online tree with a copy of Philip's marriage cert. 14 Feb 1846 to Charlotte. His father is recorded as William, unfortunately the image is not complete and therefore the occupation of Philip's father is missing.

JJ

[keyboard86]

From FindMyPast William looks to be a Fireman?
Keyboard86

[Bev2018]

Oh wow - thank you both so much for the quick and informative responses. That hopefully gives me a little more to go on.

[keyboard86]

Hi again his brother William John marries as Philip did in Llanfoist 31st October 1841 occ Fireman Father William occ Fireman to Rachel Evans Widow Father John Davies occ Fireman, possibly the John Davies that Philip and William are living with in 1841?
Keyboard86

[Cas (stallc)]

Possible bapt but out of area.

Wales, Select Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
Philip John
Baptism Date:   25 Dec 1821
Baptism Place:   Llancarfan,Glamorgan,Wales
Father:   William John
Mother:   Elizabeth
FHL Film Number:   104877

By 1861 Philip/Charlotte & family are in Merthyr Tydfil

Cas

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Possible bapt but out of area.

Wales, Select Births and Baptisms, 1541-1907
Philip John
Baptism Date:   25 Dec 1821
Baptism Place:   Llancarfan,Glamorgan,Wales
Father:   William John
Mother:   Elizabeth
FHL Film Number:   104877

By 1861 Philip/Charlotte & family are in Merthyr Tydfil

Cas

Don't think the Llancarfan baptism is him - it's well away from the place of birth on 1851. Llancarfan Philip is a grocer married to Jane and they're in Aberdare in 1851 [although Ancestry has transcribed his pob as Llandinam, Glamorgan. Image possibly Llancarfan].

They're clearly a separate couple from Philip & Charlotte, who I haven't found yet in 1861  [now found]

[JJen]

1861 -

Phillips Johns   44
Charlotte Johns   44
William Johns   14
Ann Johns   11
Mary Johns   8
Lewis Johns   6
Charlotte Johns   2

RG9 Piece 4058 Folio 96 Page 18

JJ

Added - Mabel Bagshawe, I see you have now found the 1861 

[Bev2018]

Thank you both so much - this is awesome! You've found more in half an hour than I've found in three months!

I think Philip and Charlotte are in Merthyr Tydfil in 1861 but they've been written as Phillips Johns and Charlote Johns.