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Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« on: Friday 18 January 19 14:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I am well rusty at military research so was hoping for some help or pointing in the right direction.

I received today my "Shrouds of the Somme" which commemorates Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe a Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve who died 13/11/16 aged 19

Been on the CWGC website for that bit extra.
Service Number Tyneside Z/7093
Died 13/11/1916
Aged 19
Nelson Bn. R.N. Div.
Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
Son of Thomas and Annie McAuliffe, of 41, Alexandrina St., Seaham Harbour, Co. Durham.

But more interested in why a Seaman was at the Somme if it is possible to research 

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Ken
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Re: Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 January 19 15:09 GMT (UK) »
That is a mystery ,canít think why he would not be at sea.
Just a long shot, I believe Naval guns were used in battle,and I just wonder if someone like this young man might have been deployed .
Though you would expect the army gunners to be totally used to them .
Hope you get some helpful information.
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Re: Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 January 19 16:39 GMT (UK) »
The clue is in the fact that he was in the Nelson battalion of the 63rd (Royal Naval) Division  best explained on Longlongtrail:

https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/order-of-battle-of-divisions/63rd-royal-naval-division/

The piece shows the actions they took part in, including the Battle of the Ancre (Somme) which was in November 1916 when he was killed.

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Re: Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 January 19 16:50 GMT (UK) »
War diary for the period is at:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7355472

Also to be found on Ancestry.   He was one of 120 men missing after the attack on 13/14 November.

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Re: Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 January 19 17:16 GMT (UK) »
Their diary says they were in the Hamel left sector when they attacked.
You can see where he was on this map:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101465248
You need to look at Q17. The blue dotted line is the British front line.
Red are the German trenches.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
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Re: Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 January 19 12:25 GMT (UK) »
MaxD Thank you for the quick reply and answer, I don't do any research anymore so don't have any active subs running and the info you have found is brilliant. I will print out some details to keep with the Shroud.

Jim1 Thank you for the extra details again I will print out to keep.

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Re: Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 January 19 07:09 GMT (UK) »
This is a snippet from his records that I am hoping MaxD or some other knowledgeable person can take a peek at, and answer this question:

What does the "AFB" stand for, by the red asterick?  I've seen it many times before, but in this case his father's address immediately follows, so now I'm guessing it is something to do with notifying  the family about him being missing?

(Not trying to hijack your thread, Blackburn Fossil, but I figure you will be interested as well!)

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Re: Shrouds of the Somme - Able Seaman Edward McAuliffe
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 January 19 08:49 GMT (UK) »
It is an army form (AF).  AFB 104-85.  The 104 - 80s were forms on which reports related to illness/deaths/missing/hospital/ wounding and the like were made.  In the most comprehensive list of army forms 104-85 doesn't appear.  It may be an error and should be AFB 104-83 Notification of a soldier missing.  However, it is simply the administrative piece of bumf on which something related to an individual was reported and in this case certainly appears to be the notification in the first instance to his nok.

MaxD

Update - thanks to friends elsewhere AFB 104-85 is Information to relative regarding enquiry, so far as is known, still serving with his corps. Looking at the dates, he was reported missing in November and his nok enquired about the report which was recorded on  the appropriate form in December.
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