Author Topic: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.  (Read 1343 times)

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Hi,

Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton in the 3rd qtr. of 1938 in Barnsley, Yorkshire. Vol 9c. Page 566.
Harry Needham = Dorothy Holliday in the 3rd qtr. of 1938 in Barnsley, Yorkshire. Vol 9c. Page 624.

I need to establish the name of Harry Needham's father in either of these two marriages in order to move on with my research and help another researcher who is also stuck.
Unfortunately, we are unable to find the actual marriage records online and I wondered if anyone on RootsChat knows of a way to look up the information elsewhere before we go down the line of buying certificates.

Many thanks, Baz.

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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 January 19 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Marriage certificates for this time are unlikely to be online.  Have you found them on the 1939 register

ADDED Anyone looking them up elsewhere for you would need to know which parish they were as Barnsley RD covers a large area  https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/barnsley.html
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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 January 19 13:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Yes. I have found both in the 1939 register. Details below;

Needham/Denton.  ED Letter Code: KAAR. Borough, Barnsley. Reg and Sub District; 507-1. Residence; 4 Grace Street.

Needham/Holliday.  ED Letter Code: KABZ. Borough Barnsley. Reg and Sub District; 507-1. Residence; 29 Days Croft.

I hope this is of assistance.

Baz.


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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 January 19 13:22 GMT (UK) »
I suspect what Rosie had in mind was that you take the dates of birth from the 1939 register and try to locate their birth registrations. These should give the mothers' maiden names, from which you might be able to identify the marriages and thus the full names of their parents.

It would be a bit easier if they were old enough to be in the 1911 census, but with marriages in 1938 that may not be the case.

I might have time to have a look at this later if you or someone else hasn't beaten me to it.
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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 January 19 13:37 GMT (UK) »
Harry Needham who married Zilpha was born 15 Apr 1916 and death reg barnsley July 1986

Harry Needham who married Dorothy was born 11 jun 1916

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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 January 19 13:44 GMT (UK) »
Possible birth registrations

Births Jun 1916   
Needham    Harry    Dale    Barnsley    9c   457    
Needham    Harry    Needham    Prestwich    8d   511    

Births Sep 1916   
Needham    Harry    Roscow    Bury    8c   904

I included the September one in case the June birth date one was registered late.

Without any further information to hand, the Barnsley one is most likely.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 January 19 14:01 GMT (UK) »
Harry Needham who married Zilpha was born 15 Apr 1916 and death reg barnsley July 1986

Harry Needham who married Dorothy was born 11 jun 1916

more shortly
Suz

I cannot find the death reg for Harry Needham married to Dorothy
There are trees on A******y which give both Harry's father as Matthew!!!

Marriage certs need to be ordered - you can do it online from GRO
I would order the marriage to Dorothy first

Suz
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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 19 January 19 14:17 GMT (UK) »
If it is the Needham/Dale one then this appears to be the parents marriage

Marriages Dec 1902   
>>Dale    Elizabeth        Barnsley    9c   434   
Drower    Priscilla        Barnsley    9c   434    
>>Needham    Matthew        Barnsley    9c   434    
Roberts    William        Barnsley    9c   434

This couple are on the 1911 census in Barnsley with three daughters - four children born, three still living.

Girls births:-

NEEDHAM, LUCY       DALE 
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in BARNSLEY  Volume 09C  Page 238

NEEDHAM, ALICE       DALE     
GRO Reference: 1908  S Quarter in BARNSLEY  Volume 09C  Page 266   Order

NEEDHAM, MARY       DALE     
GRO Reference: 1910  D Quarter in BARNSLEY  Volume 09C  Page 219

NEEDHAM, HILDA       DALE     
GRO Reference: 1912  J Quarter in BARNSLEY  Volume 09C  Page  471

Harry appears to be the last one after Hilda.

The deceased one was Frederick, born and died 1903

NEEDHAM, FREDERICK       DALE     (Birth)
GRO Reference: 1903  M Quarter in BARNSLEY  Volume 09C  Page 270


The only way you will find who the fathers were for the marriages that you have found is to obtain the certificates.  You may be able to search for them at the relevant Record Office, but you would need to check if they have the marriage records in question.  However as Rosie has said, you really need to know exactly where they married, otherwise the search could take a very long time.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Harry Needham = Zilpha Denton 1938, Barnsley, Yorkshire. Marriage Cert. Look Up.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 19 January 19 14:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

I do have the birth dates of both Harry Needham's but they don't help me because they are both in the 2nd qtr of 1916.  I also have the name of the father of one of the Harry Needham's.  I just need the name of the father for one of the marriages and I will be able to match everything up.

Thanks, Baz.