Lucy Honnor b Q1 1878 Wairau, Marlborough

[minniehaha]

Birth announcement of daughter:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15300298?searchTerm=moeller%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1912-01-01|||dateTo=1912-12-31|||l-advstate=New+South+Wales|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby


Minniehaha.

[Cockneyrebel]

Very odd minniehaha, he has changed his name again in the newspaper report to Arthur Maumes Moeller? Found a Frank H Moeller 1921-1988 who appears to be from the same family, do you have a record for him?
Cr

[Lucy2]

Cr

There is some very interesting reading in the article at the following link re:  an Arthur MOELLER who seemingly had a connection to New Zealand at one time.   As well as this article, there are other mentions of him in newspapers at TROVE website.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/168754764?searchTerm=arthur%20Moeller%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=

       ~  Lu

Edited to add :  This very similar version from a New Zealand newspaper, is probably easier to read ? 
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTR19130809.2.46

[Lucy2]

Cr

Arthur MOELLER (who gives his next of kin as his wife, Mrs Lucy MOELLER) served in the Australian Army in WW1.

This link should take you to his record >
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ListingReports/ItemsListing.aspx

(... although sometimes these links "time-out" ).

If that is the case, then use the record search facility (at naa.gov.au) and (name) search on "arthur moeller + WW1".

It's a large file which I only skimmed over:   Says he was born at Woodend, Victoria and was 40 years 5 months when he enlisted in 1915.  (He may have been telling "porkies" though ??  )

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

There is this birth, registered at Melbourne (AUS) :

MOELLER - Arthur
Father:  Phillip
Mother:  Elizabeth (nee PAYNE)
YEAR :   1864

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Here is the 1936 report of marriage of Hazel (Judith) - daughter of Mr and Mrs A. E. MOELLER of Tamworth.   [That accounts for the daughter "Judy" mentioned in the death notice of 1951. ]

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/193858919?searchTerm=Hazel%20Moeller%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi Cr

Following on from the article in Reply # 11 - where in 1913 Arthur MOELLER is before the NSW Court [along with one Frederick NOON], and is eventually jailed for 18 months for conspiracy to defraud, I've now been able to check on some of the "evidence" tabled in court, as it relates to the New Zealand "side of things".   

Briefly, this Arthur MOELLER is the child born 1864 in Victoria to Elizabeth (PAYNE) and Philip MOELLER.   His father was a general merchant who moved his family to NZ sometime before 1870 where another five children were born.  The family was Jewish.   When  Philip MOELLER died in 1885 his wife Elizabeth took over the licence of the Occidental Hotel in Wellington (NZ) and continued running it until about 1906.  She died in Wellington in 1922 (one obituary gives her name incorrectly as "Hannah".)   
In 1888 PapersPast (NZ) has a report on a Divorce petition in Wellington between a Louisa [nee ROBINSON] v. Arthur MOELLER who had married in 1886.    Amongst other things, Arthur is said to have been seeing a woman named "Elsie VICKERS".    Link to Divorce report >
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTIM18880625.2.9

In 1891, the Australian Marriage index has a marriage between Arthur MOELLER and an "Elizabeth VICKERS" (who may well be the aforementioned "Elsie" ??)  Haven't really investigated this further other than to look for any issue of the marriage ... (nil, it would seem).   Neither have I  endeavoured to track Arthur MOELLER's movements around this time.  ---- // ----

When I first looked at this Lucy HONNOR query the other day before any posts had been made, I'd had already found this NZ birth >  ??   Didn't at the time, think it was necessarily relevant.

1905 / 18645 - HONOR - Nancy Leah
Mother : Lucy          --   Father:  N/R
Registered at Wellington.

Of interest though is that the 1905-06 Wellington electoral roll shows >

MOELLER - Arthur - Hotel Manager - Occidental Hotel, Lambton Quay
[His mother Elizabeth is listed as hotelkeeper at same address].
I think I also saw somewhere that a brother of Lucy HONNOR lived in Wellington about this time ??
[The child's name may be significant ?   Arthur had a sister named "Leah".  ]
Not of course saying that Arthur MOELLER was the father of this child, but it seems possible that the paths of Lucy and Arthur may have "crossed" in Wellington ?

For what it's worth, I think this Arthur MOELLER (in all his guises) is the same man. 
AND if for example, he did not divorce the "Elizabeth VICKERS" of 1891, re-marriage under a variation of his real name [Aaron - nice Hebrew name ] was a "reasonable" option.

     ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

The "New South Wales Gaol Description and Entrance Book" has a photo of a rather good-looking Arthur MOELLER (taken in 1913). 
His d.o.b. on that record is given as 29-9-67 -  the year being a little shy of the actual 1864.
Occupation :  Commercial traveller
Religion :  Hebrew
Marks :  Tattoo - "ESSIE" .. and a long scar on neck / hand ?
Convicted with Frederick NOON - Conspiring to defraud - 24/7/1913
Discharged on :  21/3/1914.

[minniehaha]

Birth of Lucy's children......

MOELLER HAZEL
9046/1912
AARON M
LUCY
RANDWICK


[a son-1921]

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/104824602?searchTerm=moeller%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1919-01-01|||dateTo=1925-12-31|||l-advstate=New+South+Wales|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby


Minniehaha.