Opinions Sought on Signature Similarities

[BushInn1746]

Hi Claire

The forename and 1st letter of surname are always joined. Then a gap between first letter of surname and the remaining surname lettering, so they look like possibly the same person.

The fancy scroll work may be omitted possibly due to lack of space, or perhaps a change in circumstances or personality (no longer flamboyant)?

Best wishes Mark

[dobfarm]

Hi

Can anyone give me an opinion whether these two signatures taken 20 years apart could be the same man.

Thankyou
Claire

The way he finishes his John off to start the surname - its highly unlikely anyone else would do that.

D.

[..claire..]

Hi Dobfarm & Mark

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my query. This has been a tricky family to establish, but small steps are being made thanks to the help given on here.

Regards
Claire

[Novak20]

I agree with the consensus but here's a cautionary tale ... some years ago I was looking at eighteenth century tax records in London and found that one of collectors signing off the annual returns in Whitechapel had ostensibly the same signature as a collector in the adjacent parish of Aldgate. I assumed they were the same person but further research showed that the Whitechapel collector was the son of the Aldgate collector and that there was a very small but consistent difference in the signatures!

all the best,
Mike

[pinefamily]

Thanks for the input Novak20. Interestingly this man's daughter did in fact sign her own name in an almost identical fashion.

[Rosinish]

Late post, had typed it up & was interupted although there's been a few replies since.

Claire, I would say they are the same hand based on quite a few things…

The ‘P’ for Palmer is joined with the ‘n’ on John
The gap after the ‘P’ in Palmer before the continuation with the ‘a’ is the same
The writing flows the same, the ‘o’ joins in the same way onto the ‘h’ in John
The ‘r’ at the end of Palmer is very similar
The slant on the writing is the same

This is coming from someone who’s about to post my own query for same question on 4 signatures I have but it’s always good to have others opinions.

Annie

[..claire..]

Hi Annie

Hope you are well, nice to hear from you.

I agree, it’s great to get other people’s opinions on this so thank you for contributing to the thread 

Claire

[dobfarm]

Late post, had typed it up & was interupted although there's been a few replies since.

Claire, I would say they are the same hand based on quite a few things…

The ‘P’ for Palmer is joined with the ‘n’ on John
The gap after the ‘P’ in Palmer before the continuation with the ‘a’ is the same
The writing flows the same, the ‘o’ joins in the same way onto the ‘h’ in John
The ‘r’ at the end of Palmer is very similar
The slant on the writing is the same

This is coming from someone who’s about to post my own query for same question on 4 signatures I have but it’s always good to have others opinions.

Annie

Just to add ! the fancy scroll  from the 'n' to his fancy 'p' in the big C scroll it look like a number 3  but always inside  the big C as the 'p' up line as a scroll and leaves that gap between the P and almer. Unless he was John Almer but the almer starts with a small lowercase 'a'.

Not many people would leave a gap between the first & second letter of the surname with constancy in a signature