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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 02:03 GMT (UK) »

I have found the record for Robert Sibley's wife and their younger children ( Alfred, Albert and Ada and Rosa) arriving on the Ionic to Wellington in 1892.

Hi Blacksmithy

Just a slight correction to above, for you.   ;)

http://www.huttcity.govt.nz/Leisure--Culture/Museums-and-galleries/Our-museums/petone-settlers-data/DisplayPerson/?Id=24502&SearchString=SIBLEY&Pa

The sons who accompanied Elizabeth SIBLEY, were Albert and Walter (and not Alfred -- see my following post).

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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 02:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi again Blacksmithy

The following link to the arrival of the ship "DUNEDIN" - January 1887, very much suggests that Robert SIBLEY and his two sons, Thomas and Alfred, travelled ahead of the rest of the family.  ;)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LT18870115.2.20

From passenger list for "Dunedin" - arrived Lyttelton - January 1887 ...
Mr Robert SIBLEY / Master Thomas SIBLEY and Master Alfred SIBLEY.

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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 04:06 GMT (UK) »

Death Regs for a Ellen Sibley  Dec 1875 St Saviour age 29 or March 1876 age 35

Further to above ... noticed a birth (and death) of an unnamed female child at Saint Saviour, Surrey registration district.

GRO reference :   1875 - D quarter - Saint Saviour Surrey - Vol  01D - page 112
SIBLEY ------
Mother's maiden surname :  DEAMAN


[  FREE BMD has - DEC 1875 - SIBLEY -- female - age 0 - BIRTH and DEATH - reg'd. St Saviour  ]

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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 06:37 GMT (UK) »
Could this be 'your' Charles?


1940/27429   Sibley   Charles Henry   72Y


Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 09:16 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for your searching, hunting and discoveries.  You all have such vast knowledge and are able to look outside the square.  This all stacks up accurately with some other family stories and does confirm the thought that Richard was likely born out of wedlock.  Roberts Will does not include Richard. My thought would be that Charles' death cert would likely hold the key to confirming his mother.  Despite putting Robert and older sons names in Papers Past they did not come up for me.
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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 09:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Had just been about to post the link to Robert SIBLEY's probate file ... his will dated 1 August 1899 does of course include son Charles and it could be assumed that he is residing in New Zealand at that time as some other of his children named, are not allocated places of abode.  (Robert's spinster sister - Susan SIBLEY of London -  is the only beneficiary whose location is specifically stated. )

Robert's son John is not mentioned in the will - [which may suggest that he was deceased at that time ??]

Question:  Why is that you say that ... "Charles' death certificate would likely hold the key to confirming his mother"...    ???

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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 17:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi
thank you for the last posting, my thought was that it would confirm the name & spelling of his mother who we know is not Elizabeth Wood but Ellen Deamer, Deaman, Dayman.  From the above information I now know they were married in 1866 and Ellen died in 1875 however Ellen does not appear in the 1871 census with her husband who is with his in-laws.
Having said that Charles mother was not actually Elizabeth Wood I am wondering if he used her name rather than his real mothers name.
Just my thoughts and guidance is always appreciated.
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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 18:20 GMT (UK) »
A death registration is only as good as the informant and therefore the information can often be wrong.Unless the informant for Charles; death knew his background the information could well be wrong,

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Re: arrival in nz/sibley
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 23:19 GMT (UK) »
Ancestry Church of England London Marriages and Banns
Parish Church Camberwell  1 Aug 1896
WOOD      Richard bachelor  24 years plumber  res. 26 Basing Rd father Richard, gentleman
GRATWICK  Elizabeth spinster 25 years  res. 1 Church St Peckham Rd father Edward, hatter
Witnesses William GRATWICK  Fanny GRATWICK.

Ancestry Church of England London Births and Baptisms
St Luke Hackney  baptism 13 Nov 1898   born 13 ** 1898
WOOD Ada Elizabeth parents Richard and Eliz.  father a plumber, res. 23 Stevens Avenue

GRO birth
WOOD Ada Elizabeth   mms GEATRICK   
DecQ     Hackney Vol 01B Pg 553

BDM NZ
1922/9073   Ada Elizabeth   WOOD  marr.  YATES   George Leslie   

Familysearch -
Will NZ  written 20 Feb 1929  Witnesses Arthur HILL  Ellen Elizabeth HILL
WOOD Elizabeth Lucy,  died 15 Oct 1940
Beneficiaries Richard Lawrence WOOD and Ada Elizabeth YATES.

Richard Lawrence WOOD.."......I was born in Colyton, Devon....Elizabeth Lucy WOOD was born in Kennington, England....."

Ada Elizabeth YATES.." I was born in Hackney  in England"

How have you identified the mother of this Richard Lawrence WOOD to be Elizabeth who married Robert SIBLEY?