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WW1 Military Prisonís UK.
« on: Tuesday 22 January 19 03:00 GMT (UK) »
Hello

Iím following an Australian Soldier who was AWL for 5 months (a repeat offender) in France 1918.  He was sentenced to 1 year in prison. 

Looks like he was first sent to No. II (Eleven written underneath) Military Prison.  The record then mentions Carnarvon Prison.  After 10 months he was released from HM Prison Exeter.

Could anyone elaborate on these gaols, what would of happened, and what would life of been like as a deserter in Gaol.

Much appreciated.

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CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
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Re: WW1 Military Prisonís UK.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 10:55 GMT (UK) »
Psychologically a prison was set up to take a man apart & put him together again as an efficient & obedient soldier.
This was achieved by hard labour, regular inspections, drills, PT & route marches.
The slightest misdemeanour was dealt with swiftly & severely.
On route marches the men had to suffer the abuse from the locals who regarded them as cowards.
In most cases it had the desired effect. Men were more afraid of prison than they were of the Germans.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: WW1 Military Prisonís UK.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 13:19 GMT (UK) »
Thank you both.

Would AIF been treated the same as a British Soldier?!

Bitzar.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: WW1 Military Prisonís UK.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 22 January 19 15:11 GMT (UK) »
As far as the prison was concerned he was just a number.
To their credit Australia didn't have the death penalty for desertion.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
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Re: WW1 Military Prison’s UK.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 04:52 GMT (UK) »
Jim1

Yes, I remember reading something about Australia signing something about their ‘deserters’.  Would there be instances where British military prisoners would escape a death sentence or where AIF would be given one?!

Bitzar.

ADD:

Do you think that 1 year for being AWL sounds fitting?!  I think it was about his third time. 
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: WW1 Military Prisonís UK.
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Around 90% of death sentences were commuted.
I do believe there were a couple of Australians who were executed for murder but I don't believe there were any executed for desertion.
I have seen a record of a soldier who was a 3 times offender who received 2 x 6 months & then 1 year for his 3rd. offence so on that basis it sounds about right.
One of the curiosities of sentencing was that the man had to pay for his uniform & kit that had by now been discarded.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: WW1 Military Prisonís UK.
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 14:47 GMT (UK) »
I was surprised too, that mine actually received his service medals!

Bitzar.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: WW1 Military Prisonís UK.
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Only men who were executed or dishonourably discharged forfeited their medals.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
Census information is Crown copyright,from
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/