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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 16:47 GMT (UK) »
I tried a few places. First, at
http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/brides.php
I found 10 brides named Alice Dunn, marrying after 1910. I eliminated all three that married in Manhattan, but none of the ones who married in the other boroughs. They are:

Dunn, Alice I, Apr 24, 1921,  Manhattan, Groom: Walter Crogan
not her. parents names different: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24W4-LZC

Dunn, Alice E, May 24, 1927,  Manhattan, Groom: Francis O'Connor
not her. parents names different:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24WQ-861

Dunn, Alice, Jul 4, 1936,  Manhattan, Groom: John Piazza
not her. parents names different:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24DM-DQ6

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the other seven:

Dunn, Alice, Jun 23, 1910,  Kings, Groom: William A Morrison

Dunn, Alice, Jun 17, 1925,  Kings, Groom: Louis Lafkowitz

Dunn, Alice, Sep 3, 1926,  Bronx,Groom: John Reilly

Dunn, Alice, Oct 4, 1930,  Bronx, Groom: William Schmidt

Dunn, Alice, Aug 29, 1937,  Kings, Groom: Arthur Hornyak

Dunn, Alice M, Sep 26, 1937,  Kings, Groom: James L McGovern

Dunn, Alice J, Oct 17, 1937,  Bronx, Groom: Bryant H Minard

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Then I went to familysearch and looked for anyone named Alice born about the right time with parents Thomas Dunn and Mary. Nothing found.

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Then I tried people born in New York between 1910 and 1935 whose mother was named Alice Dunn. Here are the first six results, five werel eliminated. For the last one , a subscription to ancestry.com would help.:

not mother of Josephine Cridland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WHT-HF7

That Alice was b 1890

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not the mother of these two infants
Wm Joseph Fay d Dec 1919
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WZH-SZX
John Raphael Fay, d 30 Sep 1924
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24MW-MQP
she was born 1897, Ireland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJB8-ZQH

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probably not the mother of Alice Brown, d Brooklyn, 1918
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WNG-QJH

If this is the same couple, she was born 1894
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ5H-85V

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not mother of James H Coleman, because he was born in 1907
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WC1-53T

Also, was the wife of James H, and was born 1884, according to 1910 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5QG-SFD

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not mother of Alice Ford McCabe who died 1938 Brooklyn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WTT-FHM

Her stepmother Alice was born 1902
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4PW-RV5


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Not eliminated:
is she mother of Albert W Jones d age 5 in 1923 in Brooklyn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W11-XMS

This could be Albert Sr in 1925, but I don't have ancestry.com to see the whole household and I didn't find Alice in Brooklyn in 1925

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K91F-7SY
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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 24 January 19 12:45 GMT (UK) »
Here's my other ideas, which you may have tried already:

1.  With an exact date of birth, you could search databases with just Alice and the date of birth in case she's under a married name.  Birth records were a bit hit or miss in that time frame, so it may not exist.

2.  Check siblings' death certificates to see if any of the informants were named Alice.

3.  Check city directories for NY City.  I saw some Alice Dunns in 1911 and after, but no evidence one way or the other about whether it was your Alice.  Maybe you can rule them in or out as a possibility by seeing if there are other Alice Dunns at those addresses in the 1910/1915/1920 census.

4.  Check for married Alices of the right age with other surnames in the 1915 NY census.

Good tips, thanks.
I believe I have already looked for her birth cert but did not find one.
Cleary - Clonmel / Ardgeeha / Chancellorstown / Garryntemple---------------O' Donnell - Clerihan------------McGrath - Powerstown---------------Cullinan - Scrothea, Clonmel----------------Flemming - Clerihan----------------Brien - Monkstown----------------Dunne - Poulnagunoge  / Gladstone St, Clonmel-------------Dunn - New York------------O' Neill - Kilsheelan

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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 24 January 19 12:47 GMT (UK) »

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Not eliminated:
is she mother of Albert W Jones d age 5 in 1923 in Brooklyn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W11-XMS

This could be Albert Sr in 1925, but I don't have ancestry.com to see the whole household and I didn't find Alice in Brooklyn in 1925

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K91F-7SY

Thank you very much for taking the time to look for her. I do not have an ancestry sub at the moment but will look in the coming weeks when I get one.

She really is a mystery...
Cleary - Clonmel / Ardgeeha / Chancellorstown / Garryntemple---------------O' Donnell - Clerihan------------McGrath - Powerstown---------------Cullinan - Scrothea, Clonmel----------------Flemming - Clerihan----------------Brien - Monkstown----------------Dunne - Poulnagunoge  / Gladstone St, Clonmel-------------Dunn - New York------------O' Neill - Kilsheelan

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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 24 January 19 12:52 GMT (UK) »
As she is not buried with all her family I am inclined to believe she must have married and so is buried elsewhere.
Can I contact the New York State Archives/Library and request a lookup of the marriage records for an Alice Dunn with father Thomas? What is the website or email for this?
p.s. I live in Italy, so cannot go in person.
Cleary - Clonmel / Ardgeeha / Chancellorstown / Garryntemple---------------O' Donnell - Clerihan------------McGrath - Powerstown---------------Cullinan - Scrothea, Clonmel----------------Flemming - Clerihan----------------Brien - Monkstown----------------Dunne - Poulnagunoge  / Gladstone St, Clonmel-------------Dunn - New York------------O' Neill - Kilsheelan

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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 24 January 19 13:41 GMT (UK) »
No, that would be very expensive and unlikely to succeed.

1.  New York City and the rest of New York State keep their records separately.   

2.  Even if you thought she married in New York outside of the city (which we don't have any indication is likely), a vague search (if they would even do it) like that would cost north of $200.  Ancestry has the NY state marriage index, but it does not list parents.

3.  Italiangen.org has a NYC bride’s index that is available for free.  Familysearch.org has some free NYC marriage records.   Ancestry has a NYC marriage license index, and a similar index is available here for free - https://archive.org/details/nycmarriageindex

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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 24 January 19 13:50 GMT (UK) »
If I ring Calvary Cemetery will they be able to do a look up of all "Alice Dunns" after 1911 or do they need a date of death.
Cleary - Clonmel / Ardgeeha / Chancellorstown / Garryntemple---------------O' Donnell - Clerihan------------McGrath - Powerstown---------------Cullinan - Scrothea, Clonmel----------------Flemming - Clerihan----------------Brien - Monkstown----------------Dunne - Poulnagunoge  / Gladstone St, Clonmel-------------Dunn - New York------------O' Neill - Kilsheelan

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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 24 January 19 13:54 GMT (UK) »
I've never dealt with them, so I don't know.  From what I hear, they tend to ask for a lot of money for information on who's buried in any plot.

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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 24 January 19 14:00 GMT (UK) »
If I ring Calvary Cemetery will they be able to do a look up of all "Alice Dunns" after 1911 or do they need a date of death.
Do you know the plot number? That might help.
Also it might depend on how much you sound like a family member that wants to put flowers on the grave, and how little you sound like a genealogist. :)
Or if you know someone in NYC who would go there in person, they might be more inclined to be forthcoming with some information.
I had a good experience with a Catholic Cemetery in the Boston area, but maybe because I was there in person and truthfully could tell them I was looking for my wife's family's plot.
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Re: Missing Dunn. New York
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 24 January 19 14:01 GMT (UK) »
regarding ancestry.com, some public libraries in the US have a subscription to it. Could that be the case in Italy?
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham