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Offline BourneGooner

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Locke - Will
« on: Wednesday 23 January 19 08:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

I'm already hugely indebted to Rootschatters out there for previous help. So I'm hoping you can also help with the following Last Will and Testament for me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

BourneGooner
Lock's of Rutland, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Goff's of Nottinghamshire, Bedfordshire
Smith's - Gypsy descendants of Barthwell Smith

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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 09:06 GMT (UK) »
Wow!!   Tricky.     Think the first bit is in Latin, and can only recognise very few words in the second paragraph which I think is in English.

No help at all really.   ::)    :)

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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 09:09 GMT (UK) »
This is not a will and testament BourneGooner . It is a pretty standard form of Administration of Goods, written becasue the deceased did not leave a will.
I’m afraid it gives very little genealogical information.
The first paragraph is in Latin, then the rest in English
This is the start of the English bit:

The condicion of this obligation is such that yf the above bounden Issabell
Locke doe well and trulye adminstaer all and singular the goodes and chattelles
of John Locke late of Deeping in the county of Lincolnsher late husband
deceased....................



His wife has to produce a
'true and perfect Inventorye' , beginning of line 8, of his goods and chattells for the administration to be given to her.

I can do the rest , but it doesn’t tell you anything new.

There are a couple of names in the Latin bit, but I’ll leave that to the Latin experts
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 09:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi goldie61

Thanks for that, I wasn't sure about this one, if it was a will or not, but at least it confirms John Locke and Issabel were married which is something.
I do have a copy of the "goods and chattells" mentioned, but even with my very limited knowledge of Latin and old English I can see there aren't any names mentioned on it to give me any clues from a genealogy point of view.
If you are able to translate the rest of this document for me I would seriously appreciate it.

Thanks again for your help

BourneGooner
Lock's of Rutland, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Goff's of Nottinghamshire, Bedfordshire
Smith's - Gypsy descendants of Barthwell Smith


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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 10:18 GMT (UK) »
Bonds (whether administration bonds, marriage bonds, or any other kind) are normally in two parts – the ‘Obligation’, in Latin, and the ‘Condition’, in English. The wording is fairly standard for each diocese, with only the names, places, occupations and amounts being variable.

The point of this administration bond is that the signatories are undertaking to pay a penalty (£70) to the diocese if they do not complete the administration of the deceased's estate in accordance with the law.

Goldie has done the essentials of the English. Here is a translation of the Latin ...

Let all men know by these presents that we, Issabell Locke of Deeping St James in the county of Lincoln, widow, Gregory Stawper* of Corby in the same county, yeoman, and Edward Plumpton of Deeping aforesaid in the aforesaid county of Lincoln, baker, are held and firmly bound to the Reverend in Christ, Prince and Lord, Lord Richard, by divine providence Bishop of Lincoln, in (the sum of) seventy pounds of good and lawful money of England to be paid to him the same Reverend Lord or to his certain attorney, successor, administrator or assigns; for this very payment to be made we bind ourselves, and any of us, for the whole and undivided sum, (and we bind) our heirs, executors and administrators firmly by these presents. Sealed with our seals. Dated the [blank] day of the month of September in the year of the Lord one thousand six hundred and sixteen.

          * - signed Stamp(er)

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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bookbox

Again many thanks for your input into this one.

Blimey a £70 penalty back in 1616, that sounds like a serious amount of money  :o

Thanks again

BourneGooner
Lock's of Rutland, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Goff's of Nottinghamshire, Bedfordshire
Smith's - Gypsy descendants of Barthwell Smith

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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 23 January 19 22:02 GMT (UK) »
Hi goldie61

Thanks for that, I wasn't sure about this one, if it was a will or not, but at least it confirms John Locke and Issabel were married which is something.
I do have a copy of the "goods and chattells" mentioned, but even with my very limited knowledge of Latin and old English I can see there aren't any names mentioned on it to give me any clues from a genealogy point of view.
If you are able to translate the rest of this document for me I would seriously appreciate it.

Thanks again for your help

BourneGooner

Will have a look when I've got a minute.
If it was me, I'd be much more interested in his 'goods and chattells'  :)
That would tell you more about him and his life than the dry wording of the administration.
You might like to post that too.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #7 on: Friday 25 January 19 02:44 GMT (UK) »
Here is the English bit.

The condicion of this obligation is such that yf the above bounden Issabell
Locke doe well and trulye adminstaer all and singular the goodes and chattelles
of John Locke late of Deeping in the county of Lincolnsher late husband
deceased: in payinge his debts and legacies (if any such bee) soe farre
as his said goodes and chattelles will extend and as the law doth binde her. And
of all and singular the said deceaseds goodes and chattells doe make
and exhibit unto the Lord Bishopes principall Reg(ist)trie at Lincoln a
true and perfect Inventorye. and therof render and make a faithfull &
iust Accompte whensoever shee shalbe therunto lawfullie by thordinarye of the
diocese of Lincoln for the time beinge called or required And such parte
and porcion so(m)me or so(m)mes of money as uppon her said accompte beinge
first exa(m)i(n)ed and allowed by the said ordinary shall remaine in her handes doe
well and trulye pay and distribute to and amongst such p(er)son and p(er)sons
in such manner and forme and at such time and place as thordinarye
of the dioces aforesaid for the time beinge in his discrec(i)on shall assigne &
appoint: And lastlye doe keepe harmles the above named Lord Bishope of
Lincoln and all his officers and ministers against all p(er)sons for all thinges
concerninge the grantinge of the said l(ett)res of Administrac(i)on of the said
deceaseds goodes and chattles to her the said Issabell Locke: Then this
p(re)sent obligac(i)on to be void or els to remaine in full force and vertue

Sealed and delivered
in the p(re)sence of
Robert More


iust = just ('i' usually was used for 'j')

Not sure if the letters after ‘Robert More’ are part of his name, or some other word.
Running words together was common - so you get ‘shalbe’ and ‘thordinarye’.


Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Locke - Will
« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 January 19 07:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi goldie61 and Bookbox

Again many thanks for your help with this one it's just great.

BourneGooner
Lock's of Rutland, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Goff's of Nottinghamshire, Bedfordshire
Smith's - Gypsy descendants of Barthwell Smith